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#1 2014-09-14 03:35:36

David
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Scotland Independence debate

What do you feel about Scotland being independent?

The Pros :
North Sea Oil
Queen Elizabeth is still the Queen of Scots
Getting rid of David Cameron (Yes!!)
Getting rid of Nuclear Weapons (i.e. The Trident)

The Cons :
Revenues from North Sea oil and gas have fallen significantly to £4.7bn in 2013-14, down from £6.1bn the previous year.
The Union...
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Alex Salmond is just as crazy....
Did Alex Salmond planned a plan B? Westminster rejected the idea of a currency union
We will have a Scottish-English Border. We need a passport to travel to Scotland.
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Joining the EU while the UK is leaving it.


How I feel :
I believe we are better off together.


Meaningless, meaningless, Everything is meaningless! - Ecclesiastes 1:2

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#2 2014-09-14 03:43:14

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Re: Scotland Independence debate

I do too. This drive to split things up is not good. But it is their choice.


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#3 2014-09-14 03:48:50

David
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Re: Scotland Independence debate

What do you think would happen to the United Kingdom? I mean the Disunited Kingdom


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#4 2014-09-14 03:54:17

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Re: Scotland Independence debate

I suspect that England will survive also I suspect the breakup would only be for show.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.

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#5 2014-09-14 03:58:27

bob bundy
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Re: Scotland Independence debate

hi chooipian

I think we're better off together too.  And that goes for the EU as well.

I'm South of the border so if the Scots leave, then I'm saddled with Cameron and his chums for ever.  Please Scotland take the wider viewpoint.  smile

There is also the question of whether the EU would even admit an independent Scotland.  Several EU states also have independence seeking regions and would be unhappy about setting a precedence. 

It's right that regional matters should be agreed locally but there are too many business and economic ties for an estrangement to work.

And whatever will happen to the Union Flag ?

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Sob sob!    sad

Bob


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#6 2014-09-14 04:08:46

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Re: Scotland Independence debate

Hi Bob,
I don't think they would change the flag. Most flags have the Union Flag at the canton position that means they will have to change theirs too. Not to mention the effect it will have on the UK's tourism industry...
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#7 2014-09-14 04:11:25

David
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Re: Scotland Independence debate

bobbym wrote:

I suspect that England will survive also I suspect the breakup would only be for show.

What do you mean by that?


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#8 2014-09-14 04:42:10

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Re: Scotland Independence debate

England still and always will exert a considerable amount of influence over its former colonies.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.

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#9 2014-09-14 04:42:53

David
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Re: Scotland Independence debate

How is that? Does the UK influence the US?

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#10 2014-09-14 04:50:55

bobbym
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Re: Scotland Independence debate

How is that? Does the UK influence the US?

I would say yes.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.

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#11 2014-09-14 05:21:14

David
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Re: Scotland Independence debate

Rule, Britannia! Britannia rule the waves... Well...
Oh wait!! Will Rule Britannia be played at this year's last night of the proms? sob sob... sad sad sad


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#12 2014-09-14 05:27:00

bobbym
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Re: Scotland Independence debate

I have never heard that played at a prom here but then again I missed mine.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.

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#13 2014-09-14 05:36:31

David
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Re: Scotland Independence debate

I was there in 2009 http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rB5Nbp_gmgQ


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#14 2014-09-14 05:38:04

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Re: Scotland Independence debate

chooipian wrote:

Will Rule Britannia be played at this year's last night of the proms? sob sob... sad sad sad

This year’s last night of the proms was last night! I missed it as well so I don’t know if the song was played.


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#15 2014-09-14 05:43:36

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Re: Scotland Independence debate

They did http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FkjIyQRdd5k I highly doubt they wouldn't considering it's played every year. Let's hope it's not the last...

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#16 2014-09-14 05:52:38

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Re: Scotland Independence debate

If Scotland becomes independent, who knows … in a few years time, maybe Wales will want to become self-governing as well. And then Northern Ireland will also want to join in – I mean out. eek


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#17 2014-09-14 05:57:53

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Re: Scotland Independence debate

Can't believe it. The union is no more I guess. Are you able to vote?

*removed the word hustle which I have no idea how it get in there.

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#18 2014-09-17 23:51:56

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Re: Scotland Independence debate

How will it  turn out to be? sad

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#19 2014-09-18 17:54:23

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Re: Scotland Independence debate

The United Kingdom is save!


Meaningless, meaningless, Everything is meaningless! - Ecclesiastes 1:2

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#20 2014-09-18 19:03:18

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Re: Scotland Independence debate

Yes, I'm very pleased too.

But there's nothing wrong with local matters being decided locally in any democracy, so let's hope this is good for all parts of the UK.

Bob


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You cannot teach a man anything;  you can only help him find it within himself..........Galileo Galilei

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