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#1 2014-05-20 23:52:05

Agnishom
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Prove Divergence

Does this diverge?


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#2 2014-05-21 16:32:30

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Re: Prove Divergence

Hi;


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.

I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.

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#3 2014-05-21 16:33:11

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Re: Prove Divergence

Heh, it' like Veronica Roth's book.


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#4 2014-05-21 16:39:02

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Re: Prove Divergence

Veronica who?


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.

I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.

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#5 2014-05-21 17:23:25

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Re: Prove Divergence

Roth. She's a writer.


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#6 2014-05-21 17:30:57

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Re: Prove Divergence

I'm getting divergent only because M cannot get the sum.


'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
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#7 2014-05-21 19:33:20

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Re: Prove Divergence

Do the integration.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.

I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.

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#8 2014-05-21 19:38:09

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Re: Prove Divergence

The function can be shown to not be integrable, which would show that it diverges via the integral test -- but on the other hand, you would have to show that f is monotone decreasing on [1,infinity) before you can use that test, and I'm not sure if it is...

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#9 2014-05-21 19:40:13

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Yes, it is not but after a certain point it might be...

Anyway, that was not the test I used.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.

I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.

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#10 2014-05-21 20:20:01

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Re: Prove Divergence

It is not monotone.

Which test have you used?


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#11 2014-05-21 20:22:22

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Re: Prove Divergence

How am I supposed to do the integration?


'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'
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#12 2014-05-21 20:23:39

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I suggested it to Agnishom because I was hoping he would integrate and then ask about whether he could use the fact that if the integral exists then the sum exists...

That one takes some doing numerically to convince that it diverges and then I just looked up the rest.

I will post the main link if you want it.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.

I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.

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#13 2014-05-21 20:38:55

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Re: Prove Divergence

Please post it.

I have no clue on how to show if no integral exists


'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'
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#14 2014-05-21 21:07:28

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Re: Prove Divergence

The test does not apply? But you do not know how to integrate that even with M?

There is even a nice video on it.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.

I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.

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