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## #26 2014-04-08 13:59:22

ShivamS
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### Re: Any better method than guessing?

Sorry, I have never heard of that notation.

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## #27 2014-04-08 14:10:23

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### Re: Any better method than guessing?

ShivamS wrote:

Sorry, I have never heard of that notation.

[a] is also used, if the modulus has been given.

## #28 2014-04-08 15:24:36

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### Re: Any better method than guessing?

Hi zetafunc.,

How did you compute the modular inverse of 9?

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## #29 2014-04-08 16:57:53

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### Re: Any better method than guessing?

We have a linear Diophantine equation.
9y - 17 = 11x
y-(17/9) = x + (2x/9)
y-x-1 = (8+2x)/9
Because x and y are integers so is (8+2x)/9.
(8+2x)/9=z
8+2x = 9z
4+x=4z+(z/2)
4+x-4z=(z/2)
z=2w
we have
8+2x=18w
so we have
x=9w - 4
y=11w - 3
So we have 2 solutions x=-4 and y=-3 also x=5 and y=8
To get the other number we subtract y from 11.
so we have 83 as one solution and -38 as another solution also -83 is another solution.

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## #30 2014-04-08 17:47:58

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### Re: Any better method than guessing?

x=9w - 4
y=11w - 3

How do you solve that?

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## #31 2014-04-08 21:25:56

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### Re: Any better method than guessing?

Agnishom wrote:

Hi zetafunc.,

How did you compute the modular inverse of 9?

What we want to do is find an a such that

.

From here you could use trial and error and try all possible values of a until you find one that satisfies the above relation. This works well for a smaller modulo, but for larger ones, we need a better technique. A more efficient way of finding the inverse for larger numbers is to use the Euclidean algorithm.

If

, then p does not divide a, and hence a and p are coprime. By the h,k-lemma, there exist integers h,k such that ph + ak = 1. Then,

in
, and hence
. We can find h,k via the Euclidean algorithm. In our example, we wish to compute gcd(9, 11). (This is trivial but we're not interested in the final result.)

11 = (1 × 9) + 2
9 = (4 × 2) + 1

Re-arranging, we see that 1 = (5 × 9) + (-4 × 11), and the modular inverse of 9 is 5.

## #32 2014-04-09 00:49:40

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### Re: Any better method than guessing?

I have heard different countries use different notation. For example, here in the US, when considering an n-dimensional space, mathematicians write it as R^n,. At Cambridge, they write it as d-dimensional space denoted with R^d.

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