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#1251 2014-03-06 14:34:32

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Re: Bafflers?

Hi;


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
Of course that result can be rigorously obtained, but who cares?
Combinatorics is Algebra and Algebra is Combinatorics.

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#1252 2014-03-06 20:58:09

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Re: Bafflers?

Hi bobbym

Last edited by anonimnystefy (2014-03-06 20:58:38)


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#1253 2014-03-06 23:43:28

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Re: Bafflers?

Hi anonimnystefy;


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
Of course that result can be rigorously obtained, but who cares?
Combinatorics is Algebra and Algebra is Combinatorics.

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#1254 2014-03-07 00:59:43

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Re: Bafflers?

Exact answer, he has not. Ran a smiluatio, he did.


'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
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#1255 2014-03-07 01:03:44

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Re: Bafflers?

I would sat that is not true. Not because I know he can solve the problem but because you would have to run a huge simulation to get that kind of accuracy.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
Of course that result can be rigorously obtained, but who cares?
Combinatorics is Algebra and Algebra is Combinatorics.

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#1256 2014-03-07 02:22:29

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Re: Bafflers?

How huge?


'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'
'Humanity is still kept intact. It remains within.' -Alokananda

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#1257 2014-03-07 02:26:51

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Re: Bafflers?

It is loosely based on the square root. You would need about 1 000 000 000 000 000 000 samples. Much too much for a desktop.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
Of course that result can be rigorously obtained, but who cares?
Combinatorics is Algebra and Algebra is Combinatorics.

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#1258 2014-03-07 02:44:09

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Re: Bafflers?

aggravate your adipose tissue, it does, hmm?


'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'
'Humanity is still kept intact. It remains within.' -Alokananda

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#1259 2014-03-07 02:46:33

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Re: Bafflers?

No, it just suggests that he has the exact answer.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
Of course that result can be rigorously obtained, but who cares?
Combinatorics is Algebra and Algebra is Combinatorics.

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#1260 2014-03-07 22:59:22

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Re: Bafflers?

Hi bobbym


“Here lies the reader who will never open this book. He is forever dead.

“Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment

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#1261 2014-03-07 23:05:08

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Re: Bafflers?

Hi;


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
Of course that result can be rigorously obtained, but who cares?
Combinatorics is Algebra and Algebra is Combinatorics.

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#1262 2014-03-07 23:06:58

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Re: Bafflers?

You are drawing these from 52 cards or 13?


'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'
'Humanity is still kept intact. It remains within.' -Alokananda

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#1263 2014-03-07 23:08:47

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Re: Bafflers?

That is what tripped up some people elsewhere. You are drawing with replacement.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
Of course that result can be rigorously obtained, but who cares?
Combinatorics is Algebra and Algebra is Combinatorics.

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#1264 2014-03-07 23:14:06

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Re: Bafflers?

Yeah, so it's basically


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#1265 2014-03-07 23:15:52

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Re: Bafflers?

Hi;


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
Of course that result can be rigorously obtained, but who cares?
Combinatorics is Algebra and Algebra is Combinatorics.

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#1266 2014-03-08 01:43:07

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Re: Bafflers?

Wrong, my reasoning is, hmm? So why, hah? hmmmm


'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'
'Humanity is still kept intact. It remains within.' -Alokananda

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#1267 2014-03-08 01:46:02

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Re: Bafflers?

Do you understand that there are 3 ways to draw 2 aces and a king? Know how to compute it?

Did you first not try any experimental methods?


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
Of course that result can be rigorously obtained, but who cares?
Combinatorics is Algebra and Algebra is Combinatorics.

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#1268 2014-03-10 15:01:24

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Re: Bafflers?

Do you understand that there are 3 ways to draw 2 aces and a king?

I do not


'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'
'Humanity is still kept intact. It remains within.' -Alokananda

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#1269 2014-03-10 19:19:39

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Re: Bafflers?

AAK, AKA, KAA.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
Of course that result can be rigorously obtained, but who cares?
Combinatorics is Algebra and Algebra is Combinatorics.

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#1270 2014-03-11 01:06:30

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Re: Bafflers?

Umm, okay. Why is this required?


'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'
'Humanity is still kept intact. It remains within.' -Alokananda

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#1271 2014-03-11 01:15:24

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Re: Bafflers?

Are we not trying to count something?


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
Of course that result can be rigorously obtained, but who cares?
Combinatorics is Algebra and Algebra is Combinatorics.

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#1272 2014-03-11 20:34:04

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Re: Bafflers?

Hi,

A simulation is also close, in J:

a=:4#(i.13)
sim =: 3 : '1=+/(?3#52){a'
(+/%#)(sim"0)1000000#0

≈ 0.001373


"Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense"  - Buddha?

"Data! Data! Data!" he cried impatiently. "I can't make bricks without clay."

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#1273 2014-03-12 00:30:30

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Re: Bafflers?

Hi gAr;


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
Of course that result can be rigorously obtained, but who cares?
Combinatorics is Algebra and Algebra is Combinatorics.

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#1274 2014-03-12 02:58:17

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Re: Bafflers?

Hi,

Yes, the answer's right.


"Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense"  - Buddha?

"Data! Data! Data!" he cried impatiently. "I can't make bricks without clay."

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#1275 2014-03-12 03:37:00

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Re: Bafflers?

Hi gAr;


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
Of course that result can be rigorously obtained, but who cares?
Combinatorics is Algebra and Algebra is Combinatorics.

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