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**gAr****Member**- Registered: 2011-01-09
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Hi bobbym,

That's okay, found the link.

"Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense" - Buddha?

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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I have provided the picture in post #1201. I still get the same answer.

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**In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.**

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**gAr****Member**- Registered: 2011-01-09
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"Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense" - Buddha?

"Data! Data! Data!" he cried impatiently. "I can't make bricks without clay."

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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**In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.**

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**gAr****Member**- Registered: 2011-01-09
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I too did something like that.

I had seen a similar problem in brilliant, but in its current format it would be impossible to find!

"Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense" - Buddha?

"Data! Data! Data!" he cried impatiently. "I can't make bricks without clay."

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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I do not like the new format at Brilliant. I liked the old one better.

**In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.**

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**gAr****Member**- Registered: 2011-01-09
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Me neither. I rarely go there now, it's not possible to keep track of the problems and discussions there, just looks like a flash flood of questions!

Logging off, see you later..

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi gAr;

It is a shame! Many people complained but no one is listening.

Have a good night. See you tomorrow.

I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.

All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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**New question:**

**A circle is inscribed in a square with sides of 10 and a quadrant circle with radius 10 overlaps as shown in the drawing. What is the area of the red region?**

**A says) Exactly 1. Saw your answer B, as usual it was wrong.**

**B says) That is somewhat close there A, you are getting better.**

**C says) I got the right answer and it agrees with A.**

**A says) Bravo C!**

**D says) I got B's answer.**

**E says) I got around .7**

**What did you get?**

I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.

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**phrontister****Real Member**- From: The Land of Tomorrow
- Registered: 2009-07-12
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Hi Bobby,

"The good news about computers is that they do what you tell them to do. The bad news is that they do what you tell them to do." - Ted Nelson

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi phrontister;

I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.

All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: The Foundation
- Registered: 2011-05-23
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Hi bobbym

I am getting

*Last edited by anonimnystefy (2014-02-25 01:47:42)*

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi;

I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.

All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

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**phrontister****Real Member**- From: The Land of Tomorrow
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Hi,

This is how I went about it in Geogebra - which is pretty close to stefy's.

That other answer I got in my previous post - which was also pretty close to stefy's - used the fractions given in Geogebra's 'Exact evaluation' from their CAS, but I take it that if stefy's is the right answer then Geogebra may not be truly 'exact'...although we agree for many decimal places.

*Last edited by phrontister (2014-02-25 03:12:51)*

"The good news about computers is that they do what you tell them to do. The bad news is that they do what you tell them to do." - Ted Nelson

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi phrontister;

I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.

All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

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**phrontister****Real Member**- From: The Land of Tomorrow
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Hi Bobby,

"The good news about computers is that they do what you tell them to do. The bad news is that they do what you tell them to do." - Ted Nelson

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi;

Your progress with it has been excellent. True, there are zillions of files and the demonstrations are incredible but to get through them requires a studious mind. Wunderbar!

I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.

All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

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**phrontister****Real Member**- From: The Land of Tomorrow
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Hi Bobby,

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi;

I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.

All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

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**phrontister****Real Member**- From: The Land of Tomorrow
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Hi Bobby,

This is what I did (had to research the lune idea first as I'd never heard of it before, but I came across the term in searching for 'crescent', and then used Wolfram's lune formula):

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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You solved it using the lune! I was unable to and had to use the left region.

I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.

All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

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**phrontister****Real Member**- From: The Land of Tomorrow
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It's a horrible-looking formula and I'll never try to understand it! But it worked beautifully and shrank down a lot when simplified.

Here is the link.

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Yes, I was there. Can you show me your M workings that I can follow. That page drove me crazy.

I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.

All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

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**phrontister****Real Member**- From: The Land of Tomorrow
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Hi Bobby,

Here is a much better version of my M explanation (I deleted the previous one), plus an amended drawing to suit it:

*Edit: There's now an amended version of this amended drawing in my next post...*

*Last edited by phrontister (2014-02-26 21:27:36)*

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**phrontister****Real Member**- From: The Land of Tomorrow
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I made a mistake with the formula for IC on my last drawing...so here's the update.

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