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#1 2014-02-15 22:34:16
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Convergence of series
How can we found out of this series converges?
#2 2014-02-15 22:45:08
Re: Convergence of series
Nope, it diverges. IDK why
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#3 2014-02-15 22:54:02
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Re: Convergence of series
I know it diverges. The question is to explain WHY it does that.
Anyone else?
#4 2014-02-16 01:20:42
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Re: Convergence of series
hi ffd
Welcome to the forum.
Factorise the 5 and you have ∑k which is a well known divergent.
To prove it, you group 1 term, then the next 2 terms, then the next 4 terms then 8 terms ... and show that each group is greater than 0.5 thus an infinite number of 0.5s ..... that diverges.
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#5 2014-02-16 01:37:41
Re: Convergence of series
Will you please do it? I have never known how to do these problems
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#6 2014-02-16 01:43:35
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Re: Convergence of series
Thanks bob, and thanks for an excellent answer. I will probably ask more questions here, I hope I will get more answers from you or answers from other people with the same quality.
#7 2014-02-16 03:06:56
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Re: Convergence of series
Hi ffd;
Another interesting proof is by reductio ad absurdum.
Lets say it does converge.
then
adding the equal fractions pairwise
But this is
which is a contradiction and disproves the first statement, therefore the Harmonic series does not converge.
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#8 2014-02-16 04:07:27
Re: Convergence of series
I still do not understand why this problem is related to the harmonic series
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#9 2014-02-16 04:08:39
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Re: Convergence of series
Which problem?
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#10 2014-02-16 04:13:12
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Re: Convergence of series
The first problem is essentially 5 times the harmonic series, hence, if the harmonic series diverges, so does the first series.
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#11 2014-02-16 04:23:14
Re: Convergence of series
Now I see. thank you
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#12 2014-02-16 04:25:20
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Re: Convergence of series
There is a change of index but that is the Harmonic Series we are discussing, It is known to diverge since the time of Oresme, circa 1380.
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#13 2014-02-16 04:32:40
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Re: Convergence of series
Will you please do it? I have never known how to do these problems
OK.
This has no finite sum, although if you construct a program to sum the terms, it gets slower and slower as you need approximately twice as many terms as before to add another 0.5 It's a useful reminder that infinity is quite large.
Bob
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#14 2014-02-16 04:43:01
Re: Convergence of series
thanks
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