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#1 2014-02-10 15:59:55

Agnishom
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Identity?

Given that

is an algebraic identity, what is the value of a-b?


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#2 2014-02-10 17:50:59

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Re: Identity?

Hi Agnishom

I'd say it's

.


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#3 2014-02-11 00:23:00

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Re: Identity?

What on earth does the question mean?


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#4 2014-02-11 00:33:09

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Re: Identity?

For what values of a and b is that expression always true.


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#5 2014-02-11 00:44:08

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Re: Identity?

How do you do that? (by hand)


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#6 2014-02-11 00:52:18

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Re: Identity?

First I would compute it to give me some insight.

After that, I would substitute x = 0 and x = 1 into that identity and solve for a and b simultaneously.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

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#7 2014-02-11 01:32:13

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Re: Identity?

Where do you get 0 and 1 from? Or are they just arbitary?


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#8 2014-02-11 01:36:11

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Re: Identity?

It is standard when you want to eliminate a parameter that does not count to just plug in any numbers. At the AOPS they go ape at this concept of guessing. We say, they know nothing. It is a little bit of an Ansatz!


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

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#9 2014-02-11 01:40:18

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Re: Identity?

Equate the coefficients of x:


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#10 2014-02-11 01:55:09

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Re: Identity?

Hi gAr;

Yes, that is another way.

Hi Agnishom;

You do it with your package like this:

Solve[{a*x + 25 - 5 (x - b) == 0 /. x -> 1, 
  a*x + 25 - 5 (x - b) == 0 /. x -> 0}, {a, b}]

In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

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#11 2014-02-11 02:16:11

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Re: Identity?

no attacking other people please. What is the AOPS way?


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#12 2014-02-11 02:17:38

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Re: Identity?

It is a long story and perhaps sometime in the future we will talk about it. For the now, do you understand how to do this?


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

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#13 2014-02-11 02:24:56

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Re: Identity?

Yes, thank you all.

If you would tell me the AOPS method, I'd learn another one.


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#14 2014-02-11 02:29:55

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Re: Identity?

Sorry, I did not learn any of their methods. Reppie mathematics makes me nauseous.

If you want a recommendation you should learn all of them but gAr's you should learn first.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

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#15 2014-02-11 02:39:54

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Re: Identity?

OK thank you. What is their method, anyway?


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#16 2014-02-11 02:54:21

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Re: Identity?

They never did show me any of their mighty methods, they just kept on saying how mine were bad. This always confused me, X has no answer to a question but says and thinks Y's method which got the right answer is stupid?! Reppie reasoning makes me nauseous.

You have 3 ways there, learn them.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

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