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**John E. Franklin****Member**- Registered: 2005-08-29
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A while ago I made a 12 sided figure out of paper, by

drawing touching pentagons, and cutting and taping it up.

(I did that because I wrote each of the 12 notes of the chromatic scale on each side to make a die (dice) for thinking about random musical intervals)

I thought today, if you make a dot at the center of the 12

pentagons, and connect them together to form edges of

another 3-D figure, you get the twenty sided one made out

of triangles. Then I noticed if you repeat that, and put dots

in the middle of the triangles, you revert back to the original

shape (dodecagon), but it is a reduced size dodecagon.

I wonder how much smaller it is?

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**MathsIsFun****Administrator**- Registered: 2005-01-21
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If you ever need to do another one: http://www.mathsisfun.com/geometry/dode … model.html

What you have discovered is called "Dual Polyhedra", one of those magical things about the world.

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**John E. Franklin****Member**- Registered: 2005-08-29
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Dual Polyhedra. I wondered what it would be called. I bet there aren't triple polyhedra! Maybe if you deal with unsymmetrical things like the continents on the Earth and draw a dot in middle of each and connect... I think that would just be a jumbled mess, I'm not sure. I suppose a 3-D computer program could do the process of finding the next shape and displaying it. Doesn't a golf ball have 236 indents? I thought that was a Trivial Pursuit question, but it was a long time ago, so I might have the # wrong.

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**krassi_holmz****Real Member**- Registered: 2005-12-02
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Something like this?

*Last edited by krassi_holmz (2006-03-03 09:29:20)*

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**krassi_holmz****Real Member**- Registered: 2005-12-02
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Here's another(sorry, I'm not good at graphics stuff in Mathematica):

sorry and for the space but it's better to understand:

*Last edited by krassi_holmz (2006-03-03 09:49:22)*

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**John E. Franklin****Member**- Registered: 2005-08-29
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That's what I was thinking, thanks for the pictures.

How come in the pictures, above the light blue surfaces,

there are only four lines, not five eminating from a center.

Probably just a small error. Really cool though!

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**krassi_holmz****Real Member**- Registered: 2005-12-02
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Ya, this is coz you can't rotate pictures in Mathematica.

For this I used external program: JavaView, that connects with Mathematica and translates the Mathematica's lanuage graphics to it's own. That's why sometimes there's some line, which is "eaten".

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