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#1 2014-01-27 20:58:21

thedarktiger
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4 secants circle geometry

Let ABCD be a cyclic quadrilateral. Let P be the intersection of \overline{AD} and \overline{BC}, and let Q be the intersection of \overline{AB} and \overline{CD}. Prove that the angle bisectors of \angle DPC and \angle AQD are perpendicular.

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I just don't know how to get this one. This problem in one word=aggggggghhhhhh. what
would power of a point help? hmm
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#2 2014-01-27 23:01:14

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Re: 4 secants circle geometry

Hi;

Hi; I put the image in for you. Also you need to use the math tags for your latex.


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#3 2014-01-28 00:02:00

bob bundy
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Re: 4 secants circle geometry

hi thedarktiger,

This time I'm more confident about what to do.  (But I haven't fully tried it yet.  shame )

Call angle APB = x and ABP = y

So DAB = x + y  => DCB = 180 - (x + y)  => BCQ = x + y

So get an expression in terms of x and y for BQC.

Let the bisectors cross at R, and let RQ cross BC at S

Get an expression in terms of x and y for RPB and RQB, then RSB.

Hence for PRQ.

EDIT:  Thought I'd better check it ..... it does work.  up

Bob

Last edited by bob bundy (2014-01-28 00:02:42)


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#4 2014-01-28 02:17:48

phrontister
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Re: 4 secants circle geometry

Hi,

Drew it up in Geogebra, which gave the two bisectors as being perpendicular to each other.

View Image: CyclicQuad.jpg

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#5 2014-01-28 19:51:05

thedarktiger
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Re: 4 secants circle geometry

wow! thanks! @bob bundy, you are really good at geometry. phrostister and bobym, thanks for the pics!
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#6 2014-01-29 01:35:06

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Re: 4 secants circle geometry

Here is a little video of post #4, demonstrating the perpendicular property of the two bisectors in various cyclic quadrilateral shapes. Done in Geogebra by randomly dragging the points of the quadrilateral along the curve of the circle.

Last edited by phrontister (2014-01-29 23:44:45)


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#7 2014-02-02 21:54:57

thedarktiger
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Re: 4 secants circle geometry

thanks a lot for the video! So I guess they are always perpendicular.
I think there should be some kind of theorem ... maybe the bob-tister-bob theorem of secants.
Maybe I will make a wikipedia page.
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#8 2015-06-01 10:11:14

championmathgirl
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Re: 4 secants circle geometry

@bob bundy, I was wondering how you got angle DCB = 180 - (x + y) => BCQ = x + y.


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#9 2015-06-01 19:53:36

bob bundy
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Re: 4 secants circle geometry

hi championmathgirl

Welcome to the forum.

There is always one circle that goes through the three points of any triangle.  A 4th point may or may not be on this circle too.  If it is the quadrilateral is called cyclic.  ABCD is such a quadrilateral.  All cyclic quadrilaterals have the property that opposite angles add up to 180 degrees.  I proved this here:

http://www.mathisfunforum.com/viewtopic.php?id=17799  starting at post 4.

Bob


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