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#1 2014-01-15 10:00:41

bronxsystem
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simplifying square root basic one

hey all im trying to learn how to simplify square roots but can only do numbered ones ><

i can do these ones i think


this one i dont understand ><

is that right S: but book says its wrong.

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#2 2014-01-15 10:13:46

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Re: simplifying square root basic one

i think i sort of understand

its because its an unknown right?
like b*b*b = b^3

b^2 * b

and we can write it as

because being unknown doesnt say how many times to do it >< my explanation is terrible but its close right?

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#3 2014-01-15 14:31:09

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Re: simplifying square root basic one

Hi bronxsystem;

That is one possible simplification.

because being unknown doesnt say how many times to do it

That is not quite correct, the exponent 3 tells you how many times to multiply it. It does not matter whether it is a variable or a constant.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.

I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.

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#4 2014-01-15 16:46:48

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Re: simplifying square root basic one

Hi bronxsystem,

Edit: I'm not sure if I should have posted this because I don't know the proper method (I've forgotten more than I learnt!), and there's probably a better (or 'book') way to do it. My approach seems to work for these two problems, and so it may help in some way.

I would look at the first problem like this...

- Find the largest perfect square in 32: ie, 16
- Place its square root (4) in front of the square root sign
- The remaining radicand is 2 (from 32/16 = 2).

The solution for the second problem is identical to that for the first:
- Find the largest perfect square in b³: ie, b²
- Place its square root (b) in front of the square root sign
- The remaining radicand is b (from b³/b² = b³⁻² = b¹ = b)

This next bit is just some additional info that may help with understanding what's going on, but is nothing to do with solving the problems:
The reverse process (ie, to 'unsimplify' the solutions and to revert to the original problems) would be to:
- square the number that is outside the sign (4) to become 16 (or b² for the variable), and
- multiply the result by the radicand to form a new radicand value (ie, 32, or b³).

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#5 2014-01-15 19:30:32

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Re: simplifying square root basic one

thank you

i sort of understand, enough to do the exercises now but not really comfortable with it.

i will redo the chapter and reread these posts (:

thanks again

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#6 2014-01-15 22:36:17

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Re: simplifying square root basic one

thanks for update (:

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#7 2014-01-16 10:03:23

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Btw, bronxsystem, what is the method you've been taught? I'm curious to see how it compares with my made-up one, and I also might be able to throw some light on it for you.


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#8 2014-01-16 18:58:18

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Re: simplifying square root basic one

i got the hang of it now i can get the answers (:

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#9 2014-01-16 20:36:32

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Re: simplifying square root basic one

Thanks for that, bronxsystem.

Looks like I was close, the main difference being my non-technical wording (which I've now improved in my post) and that I referred to finding the largest perfect square (which I think is correct because simplification is to the lowest form, not an intermediate one...which a lower perfect square - if it exists - would give).

Re the wording of the following:

To summarize, then, a radical can be simplified if the following statements are true:

I would have written that as:

To summarize, then, a radical can be simplified if one or more of the following statements are true:

...for obvious reasons.


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#10 2014-01-17 09:36:14

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Re: simplifying square root basic one

baah sorry guys i know i cant keep posting same thing clogs up thread.

but really hit a wall here.
i got the hang of easy ones but the book throws in different ones without explaining ><

i know i have to some how extract the 9 so that it is same term as the other one.

but cant work out how.

following what phrontister said in post #4

i would square the 2 to make it a 4 then times that by 9 and get 36  is that the first step?

im probably just clicking buttons here but

if above true its written


am i able to write this as

if thats right it makes sense or is it just gorilla math

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#11 2014-01-17 10:27:06

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Re: simplifying square root basic one

EDIT did some reading is this better

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#12 2014-01-17 13:58:54

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Re: simplifying square root basic one

Hi;

You should be able to do problem now easily.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.

I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.

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#13 2014-01-18 06:02:47

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Re: simplifying square root basic one

yes

really the appreciate help on forum thanks all.

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#14 2014-01-19 01:19:58

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You're welcome! smile


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