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**George,Y****Member**- Registered: 2006-03-12
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**X'(y-Xβ)=0**

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi;

I do not think there are closed forms for either of those. But if you could put some bounds on some of the constants an asymptotic form might be possible.

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**George,Y****Member**- Registered: 2006-03-12
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There actually is closed form, but through a different integration.

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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A different integration?

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**George,Y****Member**- Registered: 2006-03-12
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bobbym wrote:

A different integration?

I have found a way to integrate this directly, but it is very tricky.

**X'(y-Xβ)=0**

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: The Foundation
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I doubt that.

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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I would say it is unlikely to but the whole question could be answered by posting the solution. Then it can be checked.

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: The Foundation
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http://m.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=inte … E2&x=0&y=0

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi;

That is not his integral.

But even if it were, that is not in closed form.

Of course that result can be rigorously obtained, but who cares?

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: The Foundation
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It is not his integral, but his can be manipulated into that one with substitutions and manipulations. The point is that Alpha says there's no closed form...

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi;

Have you looked at the integral you sent to Alpha in post #8?

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: The Foundation
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Yes, I have.

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Then you know it is not and can never be his integral.

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: The Foundation
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Fixed.

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Brings us back to post #7. The fact that both M's can not do the integral does mean there is a high probability that it is intractable. But they are not infallible, so I think if George would post his answer the whole thing can resolved quickly.

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: The Foundation
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Do you think some progress can be made using DUIT?

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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I have not tried but it sure does respond well to numerical integration for any T.

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**George,Y****Member**- Registered: 2006-03-12
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Sorry guys, I made a mistake, the question should be:

*Last edited by George,Y (2013-12-29 01:12:55)*

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: The Foundation
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That does not change much.

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi George,Y;

That does not change much.

Yes, I think it is time to show your solution. I am willing to bet 21% of my bankroll, a whopping $1.16 that the solution is wrong.

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*Last edited by George,Y (2013-12-30 22:11:21)*

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi;

What is d?

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**George,Y****Member**- Registered: 2006-03-12
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After this change of variable, I think now the question is easier.

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**George,Y****Member**- Registered: 2006-03-12
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bobbym wrote:

Hi;

What is d?

d is the differential operator

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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What is the new integral?

Of course that result can be rigorously obtained, but who cares?

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