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You are not logged in. #1 20131114 04:11:58
Is the universe open source or closed?title asks it all 'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.' 'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it' 'Who are you to judge everything?' Alokananda #2 20131114 04:45:04
Re: Is the universe open source or closed?The question does not make sense. The limit operator is just an excuse for doing something you know you can't. “It's the subject that nobody knows anything about that we can all talk about!” ― Richard Feynman “Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment #3 20131114 05:00:16
Re: Is the universe open source or closed?More obfuscated than http://ioccc.org/ "Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense"  Buddha? "Data! Data! Data!" he cried impatiently. "I can't make bricks without clay." #4 20131114 05:14:56
Re: Is the universe open source or closed?Lots of software contains much obfuscated code... In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them. I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it. All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof. #5 20131114 12:27:22
Re: Is the universe open source or closed?
Well something is open source when full information about its creation is completely available. 'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.' 'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it' 'Who are you to judge everything?' Alokananda #6 20131114 19:53:39
Re: Is the universe open source or closed?
Then it might be open source, but that does not mean it is available to us. The limit operator is just an excuse for doing something you know you can't. “It's the subject that nobody knows anything about that we can all talk about!” ― Richard Feynman “Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment #7 20131114 21:06:20
Re: Is the universe open source or closed?I feel its open source and it depends on us how far we can go. friendship is tan 90°. #8 20131115 02:40:31
Re: Is the universe open source or closed?Looks like there are parts of it that are locked away in old fashioned ROM. In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them. I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it. All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof. #9 20131115 06:14:46
Re: Is the universe open source or closed?I do not see why we should look at the opensourcedness from our point of view. It might be open source to the minds who created the simulation. The limit operator is just an excuse for doing something you know you can't. “It's the subject that nobody knows anything about that we can all talk about!” ― Richard Feynman “Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment #10 20131115 19:40:38
Re: Is the universe open source or closed?That would seem unfair would it not? In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them. I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it. All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof. #11 20131115 20:25:45
Re: Is the universe open source or closed?Why? The limit operator is just an excuse for doing something you know you can't. “It's the subject that nobody knows anything about that we can all talk about!” ― Richard Feynman “Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment #12 20131116 01:09:29
Re: Is the universe open source or closed?Then it would only be possible to be known to a few. In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them. I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it. All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof. #13 20131116 05:16:14
Re: Is the universe open source or closed?
Not necessarily. We do not know what the higher beings are and what their number is. The limit operator is just an excuse for doing something you know you can't. “It's the subject that nobody knows anything about that we can all talk about!” ― Richard Feynman “Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment #14 20131116 05:20:47
Re: Is the universe open source or closed?Forget the higher beings, what about the lower beings? Must they remain dummies for eternity? Once a dummy, always a dummy? In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them. I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it. All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof. #15 20131116 05:22:24
Re: Is the universe open source or closed?How do you expect a computer program to generate its own code? The limit operator is just an excuse for doing something you know you can't. “It's the subject that nobody knows anything about that we can all talk about!” ― Richard Feynman “Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment #16 20131116 05:32:13
Re: Is the universe open source or closed?Back in the past there was an attempt to write software that would write code for itself. I do not know what became of it. In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them. I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it. All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof. #17 20131116 05:35:15
Re: Is the universe open source or closed?Wouldn't that be like an attempt of creating a Turing machine that evaluates if a given Turing machine halts? The limit operator is just an excuse for doing something you know you can't. “It's the subject that nobody knows anything about that we can all talk about!” ― Richard Feynman “Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment #18 20131116 05:39:46
Re: Is the universe open source or closed?I do not know, the last time I read about a Turing machine I had a migraine for a week. In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them. I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it. All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof. #19 20131116 19:24:00
Re: Is the universe open source or closed?
That is called a Quine! 'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.' 'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it' 'Who are you to judge everything?' Alokananda #20 20131116 21:27:04
Re: Is the universe open source or closed?Also, they were working on generating improved code or totally new. In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them. I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it. All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof. #21 20131116 22:55:09
Re: Is the universe open source or closed?
Yeah, but no code can refer to itself directly if we don't make it as such.. The limit operator is just an excuse for doing something you know you can't. “It's the subject that nobody knows anything about that we can all talk about!” ― Richard Feynman “Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment #22 20131116 23:40:50
Re: Is the universe open source or closed?Okay, but like the DNA can replicate itself, Imagine that the simulation clones itself and runs a disassembler on its copy? 'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.' 'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it' 'Who are you to judge everything?' Alokananda 