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#1 2013-11-13 04:47:03

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Interesting Conversation

Science Teacher wrote:

Boy, who are you?

Nerd wrote:

What scale would you like me to answer in?

Science Teacher wrote:

Okay, answer in the C scale.

Nerd wrote:

Not a musical scale. In what order of magnitude or dimension would you want to answer me?

Science Teacher wrote:

I do not understand. Give me an example.

Nerd wrote:

If you woud want me to answer in the Scale of this school, I would say I am <name> <surname> studying in Class X and as everyone knows. But again, imagine, the universe scale. That way, I am no one. The universe has come out of nothingness, so I do not even exist. How may I have a name?

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#2 2013-11-13 04:49:41

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Universe did not come out of nothingness.


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#3 2013-11-13 05:04:57

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Then what was there before the bang?

By the way, do not judge the conversation by its correctness. Imagine how you would feel if you were the science teacher and that would be the response to your question.


'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
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#4 2013-11-13 05:43:35

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I would explain to him that the universe did not come out of nothingness.


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#5 2013-11-13 06:13:13

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Then what was there before the bang?

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Circular patterns within the cosmic microwave background suggest that space and time did not come into being at the Big Bang but that our universe in fact continually cycles through a series of "aeons". That is the sensational claim being made by University of Oxford theoretical physicist Roger Penrose, who says that data collected by NASA's WMAP satellite support his idea of "conformal cyclic cosmology". This claim is bound to prove controversial, however, because it opposes the widely accepted inflationary model of cosmology.

This is the view of Roger Penrose the discoverer. Of course he ia a little late, the Hindu's knew that each universe is just a single breath or a single night-day of the Brahma, created and destroyed forever.

Carl Sagan wrote:

It is the only religion in which the time scales correspond, no doubt, by accident, to those of modern scientific cosmology. Its cycles run from our ordinary day and night to a day and night of Brahma 8.64 billion years long. Longer than the age of the earth or the sun and about half of the time since the big bang. And there are much longer time scales still.

There is the deep and the appealing notion that the universe is but the dream of the god who after a 100 Brahma years… dissolves himself into a dreamless sleep… and the universe dissolves with him… until after another Brahma century… he starts… recomposes himself and begins again the dream… the great cosmic lotus dream.


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#6 2013-11-13 06:22:26

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Re: Interesting Conversation

Shakespeare wrote:

Nothing can come of nothing:

—King Lear, Act 1 scene 1


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#7 2013-11-13 13:14:20

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anonimnystefy wrote:

I would explain to him that the universe did not come out of nothingness.

Then, explain it to me too.

bobbym wrote:

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Aren't the existence of both of those a perception of the human brain?


'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
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#8 2013-11-13 13:19:48

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Nope, there was a universe before humans and there will be many after them.

Carl's second paragraph is the common belief for thousands of years in the eastern cultures. Soon, modern Cosmology with the help of their friends will catch up to what the ancients knew thousands of years ago with the help of their friends.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
Of course that result can be rigorously obtained, but who cares?
Combinatorics is Algebra and Algebra is Combinatorics.

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#9 2013-11-13 13:31:49

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I've heard of that one. But those things should not be interpreted literally.


'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'
'Humanity is still kept intact. It remains within.' -Alokananda

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#10 2013-11-13 13:36:12

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Why not? Do we really know? And how does it effect our daily life because we are right or wrong about Big Bang?


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
Of course that result can be rigorously obtained, but who cares?
Combinatorics is Algebra and Algebra is Combinatorics.

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#11 2013-11-13 13:49:58

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bobbym wrote:

And how does it effect our daily life because we are right or wrong about Big Bang?

It doesn't.

bobbym wrote:

Why not? Do we really know?

We really do not know but the people who gave those theories long ago were power greedy and wanted to manipulate the people because they were stupid. Todays theories may not be correct but are definitely better because we know why they have come.


'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'
'Humanity is still kept intact. It remains within.' -Alokananda

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#12 2013-11-13 13:55:08

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I hope you are right about that but I do not believe it.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
Of course that result can be rigorously obtained, but who cares?
Combinatorics is Algebra and Algebra is Combinatorics.

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#13 2013-11-13 20:45:51

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Agnishom wrote:
bobbym wrote:

And how does it effect our daily life because we are right or wrong about Big Bang?

It doesn't.

bobbym wrote:

Why not? Do we really know?

We really do not know but the people who gave those theories long ago were power greedy and wanted to manipulate the people because they were stupid. Todays theories may not be correct but are definitely better because we know why they have come.

That way of thinking seems like reductio ad Hitlerum.


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#14 2013-11-14 00:04:07

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Which way of thinking? Mine or those ancient folks?


'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
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'Humanity is still kept intact. It remains within.' -Alokananda

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#15 2013-11-14 03:47:57

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Reductio ad Hitlerum? I am not familiar with that term.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
Of course that result can be rigorously obtained, but who cares?
Combinatorics is Algebra and Algebra is Combinatorics.

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#16 2013-11-14 04:16:08

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Because Stefy just created it. smile

Hi bobbym,

Agnishom wrote:

do not judge the interestingness conversation by its correctness. Imagine how you would feel if you were the science teacher and that would be the response to your question.


'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'
'Humanity is still kept intact. It remains within.' -Alokananda

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#17 2013-11-14 04:30:24

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If I were the science teacher ( ghastly thought ) I would answer the student with post #5. Or maybe, the story of the grasshopper at the boy's feet...


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
Of course that result can be rigorously obtained, but who cares?
Combinatorics is Algebra and Algebra is Combinatorics.

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#18 2013-11-14 04:34:33

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That story with the backtrack quote?

Maybe, this is a good reason why our school should not appoint you as a Science Teacher


'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'
'Humanity is still kept intact. It remains within.' -Alokananda

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#19 2013-11-14 04:39:20

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The backtrack quote?


Yes, your school is wise not to appoint me to do anything. I am a difficult employee. I have difficulty relating to younger people. Some are intimidated and call me sir, this is annoying. Others call me gramps, which makes me violent. Others try to mug me which also makes me violent.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
Of course that result can be rigorously obtained, but who cares?
Combinatorics is Algebra and Algebra is Combinatorics.

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#20 2013-11-14 04:57:16

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What is the grasshopper story?

You still do not understand why the conversation is interesting or humorous. My dad is the only person who understands most of what I'm trying to convey(Mom doesn't). But again, he could not get the point of it.
I'll try to tell it to two more people...


'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'
'Humanity is still kept intact. It remains within.' -Alokananda

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#21 2013-11-14 05:04:31

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So you are the student?

http://www.mathisfunforum.com/viewtopic … 37#p288637

Post #5173.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
Of course that result can be rigorously obtained, but who cares?
Combinatorics is Algebra and Algebra is Combinatorics.

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#22 2013-11-14 05:10:26

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You mean the nerd?


'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'
'Humanity is still kept intact. It remains within.' -Alokananda

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#23 2013-11-14 05:16:02

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Yes, that is not necessarily a bad thing being a nerd.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
Of course that result can be rigorously obtained, but who cares?
Combinatorics is Algebra and Algebra is Combinatorics.

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#24 2013-11-14 05:17:13

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I know. Anyway, I was not that person. He is different.

Why did you think that?


'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'
'Humanity is still kept intact. It remains within.' -Alokananda

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#25 2013-11-14 05:20:17

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He sounds like you.

Since this point has been dealt with,

But again, imagine, the universe scale. That way, I am no one. The universe has come out of nothingness, so I do not even exist. How may I have a name?

but is not what you want then can you describe what you are asking so I can understand it?


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
Of course that result can be rigorously obtained, but who cares?
Combinatorics is Algebra and Algebra is Combinatorics.

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