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## #26 2013-10-20 00:06:21

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'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
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## #27 2013-10-20 00:10:55

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R* = 1/year (1 stars formed per year, on the average over the life of the galaxy; this was regarded as conservative)

fp = 0.2-0.5 (one fifth to one half of all stars formed will have planets)

ne = 1-5 (stars with planets will have between 1 and 5 planets capable of developing life)

fℓ = 1 (100% of these planets will develop life)

fi = 1 (100% of which will develop intelligent life)

fc = 0.1-0.2 (10-20% of which will be able to communicate)

L = 1000-100,000,000 years (which will last somewhere between 1000 and 100,000,000 years)

Those were the best estimates of the parameters in 1961.

When you multiply out, given the uncertainties, the original meeting concluded that N ≈ L, and there were probably between 1000 and 100,000,000 civilizations in the Milky Way galaxy. Each of them capable of communicating with us. Some more advanced, some equally.

In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

## #28 2013-10-20 00:28:02

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To be honest, I am not much being able to comprehend whats going on in this equation. Do I need to upgrade my brain?

'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'
'Who are you to judge everything?' -Alokananda

## #29 2013-10-20 00:29:33

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An upgrade is what every human needs. As I have been trying to tell there are many intelligences greater than mans.

That formula is just a big load of kaboobly doo.

In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

## #30 2013-10-20 00:33:46

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Maybe, but how do you differentiate between an extraterrestrial intel and a fraud using normal intel?

'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'
'Who are you to judge everything?' -Alokananda

## #31 2013-10-20 00:35:43

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You are kidding of course. Everyone should live here for a portion of their life.

In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

## #32 2013-10-20 01:10:04

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I did not understand post #31

'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'
'Who are you to judge everything?' -Alokananda

## #33 2013-10-20 01:14:48

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Do you know when someone is taller than you are? Do you know when they are older? In the same way if you ever see an alien, you will know.

In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

## #34 2013-10-20 01:30:50

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Consider the following scenario:

What should I do if I am the top person of Indian Administration and someone pings me telling me to dig a spot with 1000 tonnes of gold which is proved to be true by the person pinging me in his dreams?

'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'
'Who are you to judge everything?' -Alokananda

## #35 2013-10-20 01:34:07

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You would have to make a decision by first weighing all the evidence. You do not make a decision based on a preconceived notion. In other words follow this scenario.

eyewitness: I have seen a ufo.

examiner: Ufo's are impossible therefore the fellow is lying.

Without even examing the site and listening he decides the fellow is lying.

In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

## #36 2013-10-20 01:38:00

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How should I check if he's correct? Using a lie detector?

'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'
'Who are you to judge everything?' -Alokananda

## #37 2013-10-20 01:39:18

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They are often unreliable. Using reason it will always be difficult to decide about anything but reasonable matters.

In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

## #38 2013-10-20 02:01:20

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Is it not paradoxical to permanently decide to not follow reason because while we do it we will have to reason out why we should do it

'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'
'Who are you to judge everything?' -Alokananda

## #39 2013-10-20 02:09:59

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There you go with that logic again. I agree, logic produces paradoxes. To me it is not even mathematics. You know I only believe and trust computational methods.

The point with the sanyasi is, supposing he is right? Has that never occurred to you?

In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

## #40 2013-10-20 02:50:11

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Maybe he'll be right. Does it mean its rational?

'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'
'Who are you to judge everything?' -Alokananda

## #41 2013-10-20 02:57:18

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Why is it irrational? Have you ever had a hunch? A feeling about something? The feelings of those people are sometimes very, very sharp. If he were right I would think he is not irrational but that we are irrational for not trusting it.

In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

## #42 2013-10-20 03:10:28

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On an offtopic note, I really want it to be true. That will help the Indian economy ( and maybe lower the price of Onions). This is not the correct time to show that rationalism truimphs.

#### Alokananda wrote:

You are the first person I ever saw who became happy to loose a game.

#### Agnishom wrote:

That is not the point. What matters is that you have won.

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'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'
'Who are you to judge everything?' -Alokananda

## #43 2013-10-20 03:17:03

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Yes and from the point of expectation it might be worth at least looking for it a bit.

Hmmm, I can not advise you on that. It would seem that women from different parts of the world behave differently. Here, it would not be advisable to lose to her on purpose.

In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

## #44 2013-10-20 03:29:32

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Who said I lost on purpose? I lost for a different reason. And then, because I need to be optimistic, I figured out a reason to be happy.

Is it not good that I have realised that there is no success or failure?
I win, I be happy because I won.
I loose, I be happy because she won

'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'
'Who are you to judge everything?' -Alokananda

## #45 2013-10-20 03:32:26

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Is it not good that I have realised that there is no success or failure?

I agree. I was just talking about how the girls here would react in my opinion of course.

In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

## #46 2013-10-20 03:39:18

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What would be their reaction?

'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'
'Who are you to judge everything?' -Alokananda

## #47 2013-10-20 03:43:02

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They would assume you let her win and she would then assume you were weak. If you convinced her you did not let her win, then she would think you are incapable of protecting her.

In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

## #48 2013-10-20 03:49:36

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Hmm, scary

'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'
'Who are you to judge everything?' -Alokananda

## #49 2013-10-20 03:51:55

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Yes but it is only empirical evidence of mine and could be seriously skewed. Also, I would assume that different cultures would have different reactions.

In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

## #50 2013-10-20 13:27:35

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Agnishom, this is due to Congress' political influence. However, the saint agreed to have his head cut if this fails.

I have discovered a truly marvellous signature, which this margin is too narrow to contain. -Fermat
Give me a lever long enough and a fulcrum on which to place it, and I shall move the world. -Archimedes
Young man, in mathematics you don't understand things. You just get used to them. - Neumann