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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi gAr;

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**gAr****Member**- Registered: 2011-01-09
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"Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense" - Buddha?

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi gAr;

**In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.****If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.****No great discovery was ever made without a bold guess. **

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**gAr****Member**- Registered: 2011-01-09
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That's nice!

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi gAr;

Thanks for the nice solution and this problem is done!

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**gAr****Member**- Registered: 2011-01-09
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You're welcome and thank you too for the problem!

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: Harlan's World
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Hi gAr

One question for the solution in #2424: Doesn't P change as well? It isn't always (a,0)?

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**gAr****Member**- Registered: 2011-01-09
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Hi anonimnystefy,

We keep that fixed as a reference point, it won't change the answer and we'll have one less integral to calculate..

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: Harlan's World
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But, then all of the trangles have one point in (a,0).

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**gAr****Member**- Registered: 2011-01-09
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Yes, but we still get all possible triangles.

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: Harlan's World
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Are you sure?

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**gAr****Member**- Registered: 2011-01-09
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Yes, checked varying the third point too.

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: Harlan's World
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Hm, okay then. Thanks for the solution!

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**gAr****Member**- Registered: 2011-01-09
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You're welcome.

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**gAr****Member**- Registered: 2011-01-09
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Anybody tried for expected area of quadrilateral in an ellipse?

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Not yet!

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**gAr****Member**- Registered: 2011-01-09
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Okay, the answer I derived was double that of simulated result. Don't know which one's incorrect!

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Do you mean a simple or complex quadrilateral?

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**gAr****Member**- Registered: 2011-01-09
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Simple quadrilaterals.

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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That complicates the simulation. The order of the points seem to be important.

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**gAr****Member**- Registered: 2011-01-09
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I sorted the angles four angles first, then calculated the area during simulation.

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Did you use the same ellipse? What did you get?

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**gAr****Member**- Registered: 2011-01-09
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For the same ellipse, the simulation showed about 3.03286.

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi gAr;

Okay, I will start to work on it now and see if I can get an answer close to that.

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