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## #1151 2013-09-04 01:06:21

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### Re: Bafflers?

In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.

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## #1152 2013-09-04 01:16:09

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### Re: Bafflers?

"Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense"  - Buddha?

"Data! Data! Data!" he cried impatiently. "I can't make bricks without clay."

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## #1153 2013-09-04 01:17:27

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### Re: Bafflers?

In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.

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## #1154 2013-09-04 01:37:09

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### Re: Bafflers?

"Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense"  - Buddha?

"Data! Data! Data!" he cried impatiently. "I can't make bricks without clay."

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## #1155 2013-09-04 02:20:12

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### Re: Bafflers?

Wondered what Kubeiagenesis meant, and someone has explained in amazon site.
The book's very good!

"Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense"  - Buddha?

"Data! Data! Data!" he cried impatiently. "I can't make bricks without clay."

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## #1156 2013-09-04 02:34:24

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### Re: Bafflers?

It was only in one library here for a long time so I never knew the correct title.

I stumbled upon it yesterday and I was very glad.

In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.

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## #1157 2013-09-30 09:53:28

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### Re: Bafflers?

New Problem:

What is the smallest number that has a digital sum of 128?

In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.

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## #1158 2013-09-30 11:26:39

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### Re: Bafflers?

Is it 299999999999999?

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## #1159 2013-09-30 12:46:06

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### Re: Bafflers?

Hi phrontister

That was also my first guess.

Another thing that pops into my mind is we have to find the smallest number whose digital sum is 128 in some base, but not necessarily decimal...

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## #1160 2013-09-30 13:07:05

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### Re: Bafflers?

Hi stefy,

Yes, I thought of that too, but I'm not too clued-up on bases and let that slide. I also wondered about it being a negative number, but let that go too because I thought that 'smaller than' wasn't necessarily 'less than' when referring to a number. Mathematica gives 128 as the digit sum for the positive and negative versions of my answer.

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## #1161 2013-09-30 14:29:25

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### Re: Bafflers?

This answer is pretty small (4-pixel high numbers + 1-pixel borders). I would have liked to have gone smaller but stopped there because I don't know how to form numbers properly that are less than 4 pixels high; and besides, my old CRT monitor probably wouldn't be able to display sizes lower than that clearly enough to be able to make out the figures.

Last edited by phrontister (2013-09-30 15:45:29)

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## #1162 2013-09-30 17:12:32

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### Re: Bafflers?

Here is a pdf file with a very tiny display of my answer in the top left-hand corner of the page. You'll need to zoom in to see it. It's the smallest answer I can come up with so far.

Below is an image of the pdf page at 100%. If you look closely you'll see a faint splotch in the top left-hand corner, that, because it's a graphic of the tiny font, is just a blur at any magnification. The only way you'll be able to read the answer is by zooming in on the actual pdf page with its magnifiable font. My pdf reader (PDF-XChange Viewer) has up to 6400% zoom (as do Nitro and Adobe) and displays the tiny print at a very readable size.

Last edited by phrontister (2013-10-01 03:23:09)

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## #1163 2013-09-30 20:04:49

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### Re: Bafflers?

Hi;

In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.

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## #1164 2013-09-30 23:26:51

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### Re: Bafflers?

Hi Bobby,

"The good news about computers is that they do what you tell them to do. The bad news is that they do what you tell them to do." - Ted Nelson

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## #1165 2013-10-01 03:20:45

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### Re: Bafflers?

Hi;

That was the tiniest answer I have ever seen or not seen.

In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.

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## #1166 2013-10-01 03:23:54

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### Re: Bafflers?

But you at least saw the splotch?

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## #1167 2013-10-01 03:25:15

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### Re: Bafflers?

Hi phro

Copy/pasting the small text works miracles!

Here lies the reader who will never open this book. He is forever dead.
Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most. ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment
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## #1168 2013-10-01 03:26:09

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### Re: Bafflers?

The splotch? Oh yes I did see that. Spilled some soup on my monitor and it looked like a giant amoeba was eating the forum.

In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.

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## #1169 2013-10-01 03:29:13

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### Re: Bafflers?

Hi stefy,

You mean the small text in the pdf from post #1162?

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## #1170 2013-10-01 03:30:09

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### Re: Bafflers?

Yeah, the one.

Here lies the reader who will never open this book. He is forever dead.
Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most. ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment
The knowledge of some things as a function of age is a delta function.

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## #1171 2013-10-01 03:34:47

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### Re: Bafflers?

Did you get the answer too?

In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.

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## #1172 2013-10-01 03:38:11

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### Re: Bafflers?

Hi

I am getting the number with one 9 less than the number in his PDF... 299999999999999.

Last edited by anonimnystefy (2013-10-01 03:38:21)

Here lies the reader who will never open this book. He is forever dead.
Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most. ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment
The knowledge of some things as a function of age is a delta function.

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## #1173 2013-10-01 03:38:33

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### Re: Bafflers?

The good retention of the font crispness through the magnification range I tried on it (6400% in any of the 3 pdf viewers I mentioned above) amazed me. Which program did you paste it into?

"The good news about computers is that they do what you tell them to do. The bad news is that they do what you tell them to do." - Ted Nelson

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## #1174 2013-10-01 03:38:57

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### Re: Bafflers?

I did not think of that. A hearty congratulations for getting the right answer.

In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.

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## #1175 2013-10-01 03:42:17

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### Re: Bafflers?

Oops! One too many nines in my pdf. I meant to have 14 of them.

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