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**gAr****Member**- Registered: 2011-01-09
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I did not see word "urn" in that page, which post in that?

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Around post 2161. It is worded as a dice problem but actually it is related to a bin or urn problem that I had been trying to solve prior to that.

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**gAr****Member**- Registered: 2011-01-09
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I remember now, had the formula in form of a sum.

You got a closed form for that?

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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I do not think so. He has a gf and that is correct but his series is flawed. The good thing about it is it is more general than anonimnystefy's solution.

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**gAr****Member**- Registered: 2011-01-09
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What's given in the book you were reading?

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**In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.****If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.** **A number by itself is useful, but it is far more useful to know how accurate or certain that number is.**

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**gAr****Member**- Registered: 2011-01-09
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Looks nice, but what's kmax there?

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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The labels have been changed to something simpler to read. That sum is supposed take for any distinguishable urns, distribute n balls with a max of k in any one of them.

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**gAr****Member**- Registered: 2011-01-09
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I'll try out the formula.

Taking a break, see you later..

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Save yourself the work. It does not work.

The gf does but I am unable to extract a general form from them.

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**gAr****Member**- Registered: 2011-01-09
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Maybe it does not have a simplified closed form.

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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That is probably true but if they would have published the correct sum then at least we would not need the sequence anymore!

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**gAr****Member**- Registered: 2011-01-09
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Yes!

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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That is what I was hoping to do but no luck. I searched for errata for the book but could not find any.

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**gAr****Member**- Registered: 2011-01-09
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Sometimes working it out ourselves gives results faster than searching, we'll never know!

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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I was not looking for that solution but as I was looking through this book, which is full of wonderful answers, I saw it. What a downer!

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**gAr****Member**- Registered: 2011-01-09
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Which book is that?

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**gAr****Member**- Registered: 2011-01-09
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Oh, that's big size for a book.

I'll take a look later, taking some rest, see you..

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi;

There is a djvu version that is only about 3.5MB. You can try that.

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**gAr****Member**- Registered: 2011-01-09
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That's okay, I was talking about the size compared to the number of pages, takes more than average. But the book looks good, lots of new formulas!

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi;

I think I cleaned that formula up and got it to work.

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**gAr****Member**- Registered: 2011-01-09
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That's nice, how does it look like now?

Going offline, see you later..

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Not bad. It should be a good gift to anonimnystefy. See you later.

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: Harlan's World
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Hi bobbym

What is the formula then?

Also, the answer to the last problem:

Here lies the reader who will never open this book. He is forever dead.

Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most. ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment

The knowledge of some things as a function of age is a delta function.

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