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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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To answer that we would need to cover the derivation of the error formula. That would require the Euler Mclaurin summation formula which would lead us on another discussion and is difficult.

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is difficult

bobbym wrote:

If bobbym can, anyone can.

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Who said that fellow could do it.

The question is, do we spend the next 19 posts going over someone else's proof or do we spend it actually showing it work or in this case not work...

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Bad Logic wrote:

If someone can do it, let him do it.

If no one can do it, how can I do it?

Good Logic wrote:

If someone can do it, I can do it too.

If no one can do it, I must do it.

Never mind, I think I will live long enough to get that proof. For now, tell me how to use it.

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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I will cover a proof out of the book "Numerical Analysis" as soon as we do 2 examples.

Do you agree from post#147 that where the absolute value is a maximum is at x = 0?

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yes!

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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And what is that value? Remember it is an absolute value.

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**ElainaVW****Member**- Registered: 2013-04-29
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Hello

What about quadrature formulas that do not include the endpoints? What are the advantages of these and will you show one?

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi;

The ones that do not include the endpoints do that because for many integrals encountered in practice the endpoints are singularities. This creates problems for primitive languages.

No, I will not be doing any of them.

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100

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Very good! Now we will just fill in the formula:

Let's pick n = 15.

The error is expected to be smaller or equal to .0228463.

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Ok got it. Thanks

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi Agnishom;

Very good. Usually it works a lot better than that.

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For example?

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Supposing you had this integral instead:

What do you get from a trapezoidal rule with 5 panels?

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Is it 0.3214?

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi;

You will need a few more digits for thsi one because the error is quite small.

0.3214669303656079

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Yes, I figured that those digits are not correct, so I truncated them

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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This is the second derivative. We see that the maximum occurs at x = 1 and is about .25. Do you agree?

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Hmm... shouldn't that be 0?

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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The integral is being evaluated in the interval 1 to 1.3

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0.000375

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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I am getting error = 0.00075

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Ok

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Did you get all that?

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