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That is okay

By the way, It is going to be a couple of hours before I sleep. The time here is 20:18 PM

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Early night. I will begin preparing what I know about it.

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Whats your time now?

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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8:00 am and soon I will be going offline.

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OK Have a good day

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Here is the difference in the two methods.

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Impressive...

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Are you sure it starts with h/3?

Besides, how is the same thing as drawing curves?

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Sorry, we were both posting at the same time and I could not edit fast enough.

The basic formula looks like this:

with

h = (b-a)/n

x_i = a + i*h

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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It's convergence is much faster than the trapezoidal rule.

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So, should I program it?

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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If you like, then we will see if our answers compare.

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```
def integrate(f, a, b, n):
h = float(b-a)/n
x = lambda i: (a + i*h)
s1 = 0
for j in xrange(1,(n/2)):
s1 += f(x(2*j))
s1 *= 2
s2 = 0
for j in xrange(1,(n/2)+1):
s2 += f(x(2*j - 1))
s2 *= 4
s = h/3*(f(x(0)) + f(x(n)) + s1 + s2)
return s
```

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Let's try it on your integral with n =30.

I got .12501848174018723 using an M and a procedural program.

What did you get?

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I am getting that too.

The sad part is that I did not get the **feeling** of making the curves. . It was sort of dry...

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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I could make a drawing for you later that might help.

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That I can do for myself with a lot more colors than you would use xD

Never mind, but the formula at post 109 is not looking like a curve or giving a feeling of it. Sadly, it works...

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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You have a nice program that you can use later on to integrate functions that you will not be able to do by hand and there will ne lots of them.

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Why will integration problems come to me in the reality?

Could you explain how you got that formula?

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Integration is the area under a curve. They come up in physics and probability a lot.

I copied it. It is in many books and also on Wikipedia.

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hahaha

okay

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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I figured you wanted a real formula and not a bobbym creation.

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Nope. I want something that gives me the geometric feeling of the area. It can be anything, a program or a formula or some philosophy.

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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I looked at two geogebra programs but they were not very impressive.

Here is the best image I have so far.

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