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Ascent of SapWhat is the mechanism of it? 'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.' 'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it' 'Who are you to judge everything?' Alokananda #2 20130706 00:31:00
Re: Ascent of SapCould be capillary action. If you have ever seen a micropipette... In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them. I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it. All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof. #3 20130706 00:33:42
Re: Ascent of SapHmm... 'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.' 'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it' 'Who are you to judge everything?' Alokananda #4 20130706 00:39:43
Re: Ascent of SapThey say it is caused by adhesion and cohesion of the liquid. They describe it as a fluid moving against gravity as long as the tube is very narrow. In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them. I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it. All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof. #5 20130706 00:47:13
Re: Ascent of SapDoesn't it seem very contradictory to common sense? 'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.' 'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it' 'Who are you to judge everything?' Alokananda #6 20130706 00:52:55
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To a theoretician maybe. But every lab student in chemistry and microbiology used to be able to make a pipette. I have seen the effect occur many times. In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them. I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it. All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof. #7 20130706 00:56:00
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That is what exactly in my book. I just can't agree with that. There must be some pumping somewhere in the xylem 'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.' 'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it' 'Who are you to judge everything?' Alokananda #8 20130706 01:01:44
Re: Ascent of SapThere might be, also in living things unknown processes might be taking place. Even a plant has consciousness and will.
In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them. I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it. All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof. #9 20130706 01:06:36
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Do they have brains? 'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.' 'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it' 'Who are you to judge everything?' Alokananda #10 20130706 01:20:46
Re: Ascent of SapThere was a researcher named Cleve Backster whose work I read about when I was very young claimed that they did.
Have you ever seen a meniscus? In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them. I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it. All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof. #11 20130706 01:22:52
Re: Ascent of SapNo. Whazzat? 'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.' 'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it' 'Who are you to judge everything?' Alokananda #12 20130706 01:24:54
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In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them. I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it. All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof. #13 20130706 02:17:51
Re: Ascent of SapThe force comes from where? 'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.' 'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it' 'Who are you to judge everything?' Alokananda #14 20130706 02:22:40
Re: Ascent of SapBeats me! Physicists love to talk jargon. In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them. I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it. All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof. #15 20130706 02:23:52
Re: Ascent of SapI would say, its a miracle! 'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.' 'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it' 'Who are you to judge everything?' Alokananda #16 20130706 02:28:43
Re: Ascent of SapYes, it is amazing. As I often say, you do not have to understand something to admire and use it. In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them. I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it. All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof. #17 20130706 02:32:24
Re: Ascent of SapIsn't science more about why than how? 'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.' 'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it' 'Who are you to judge everything?' Alokananda #18 20130706 02:39:41
Re: Ascent of SapIt is not supposed to be. Science is observation. It is the how. The why can never be known. In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them. I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it. All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof. #19 20130706 03:57:52
Re: Ascent of SapDo we call the why mathematics? 'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.' 'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it' 'Who are you to judge everything?' Alokananda #20 20130706 06:11:00
Re: Ascent of SapMathematics could be described as a game. That is called Formalism. Some mathematicians know that it has no real basis in reality. In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them. I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it. All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof. #21 20130706 12:53:59
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Last edited by Agnishom (20130706 12:55:29) 'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.' 'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it' 'Who are you to judge everything?' Alokananda #22 20130706 13:28:53
Re: Ascent of SapIt sounds kind of sappy to me. In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them. I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it. All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof. #23 20130706 14:00:25
Re: Ascent of Sapsappy? 'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.' 'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it' 'Who are you to judge everything?' Alokananda #24 20130706 14:02:21
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Sappy: Containing a lot of sap, foolish. In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them. I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it. All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof. #25 20130706 14:08:17
Re: Ascent of SapWell, when the water is pulled up during capillary action some work is done. Who gives the energy? 'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.' 'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it' 'Who are you to judge everything?' Alokananda 