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**ShivamS****Member**- Registered: 2011-02-07
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I agree that there is a lot of maths in computer science, however majority of the programmers nowadays are not very aware of that. They go into programming for a good job and nothing else.

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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The people who are paying them are the ones that need an education. Is it the boys at Redmond?

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What is the integral of tan x?

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: Harlan's World
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-ln(cos(x))+C.

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or rather ln(sec(x)) + C.

Now, how do you differentiate ln(sec(x)) step by step. I guess there is a substitution method

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Use the chain rule.

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Let y = log(sec(x)) and u = sec(x)

Clearly, du/dx = sec(x)tan(x)

and, dy/du = 1/u = 1/sec(x)

Therefore, (du/dx)*(dy/du)= dy/dx = tan(x)

What is chain rule?

Anyhow, how do I integrate tan(x) by hand?

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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That was funny, right?

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Math is Fun. I am not sure if it is funny

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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I mean about the chain rule. You did it!

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Ha ha ha! So, thats called the chain rule!

Achchha, how do I integrate tan(x) by hand?

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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I use a package or a table.

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Write tan(x) = sin(x)/cos(x).

zetafunc. wrote:

Write tan(x) = sin(x)/cos(x).

Then?

Please continue

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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That is the first step. Set u = cos(x)

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I am lost.

What technique should I use?

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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du = - sin(x) dx

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But why are you doing this?

I wanted an interation of it

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Are you familiar with integration by substitution?

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Because you are already done! Look at the numerator and what du equals.

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I think I can do it now.

I will try the next time I wake up

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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See the sin(x) dx? Well you have du = - sin(x) dx and u = cos(x)

You get -du/u, which you can certainly integrate.

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**bob bundy****Moderator**- Registered: 2010-06-20
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hi Agnishom,

This old post popped up today because of a spammer but I have an answer which might be useful for this:

http://www.mathisfunforum.com/viewtopic.php?pid=316853#p316853

Achchha, how do I integrate tan(x) by hand?

If you start with

and differentiate, you get:

So, when integrating, it is always worth being on the lookout for the presence of a function and its derivative. In your question we have both sine and cosine x , so we do have the function (cos) and its derivative (sin)

By inspection I can see I'm going to need a minus sign too, thus:

A similar argument works for this one:

Substitution for f(x) will always work in these cases (can you see why?) but it takes longer.

Bob

ps. Sometimes I can see an integration 'by inspection'. It's an acceptable method provided you 'prove' your 'guess' actually works by differentiation.

*Last edited by bob bundy (2014-05-25 22:26:29)*

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Why is tan(x) = ln(f(x))?

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He is trying to get you to notice that

for a certain f(x).

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