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#26 2013-06-20 01:25:28

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Re: Define the intersection points of polynomials

But to get that you had to introduce new points.


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#27 2013-06-20 01:37:52

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Re: Define the intersection points of polynomials

x0 x1 y0 y1 are the same intersection points. the other one for each polynomial will be the known point.

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#28 2013-06-20 01:39:33

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Re: Define the intersection points of polynomials

Yes, but that polynomial needs 3 known points to be a unique quadratic. You have 2 and one unknown point. You can not determine that quadratic knowing only two.


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#29 2013-06-20 01:43:07

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Re: Define the intersection points of polynomials

Hi Herc11

Do you have a test example we could try?


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#30 2013-06-20 01:43:59

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Re: Define the intersection points of polynomials

What is wrong with post #9? Can anyone get A and B?


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#31 2013-06-20 01:46:09

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Re: Define the intersection points of polynomials

I need a of four quadratics.


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#32 2013-06-20 01:47:31

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Re: Define the intersection points of polynomials

Ok. You are right. But I am confused with the equation of defining a2.

In equation of a2 only the 4 variables x0 x1 y0 y1 exist.

And
if I have four equations for a2 (I do not know the 4 polynomials, only that they have the same 2 inters. points x0 y0 x1 y1 (unknowns),

I know

each polynomial's  leading coef. i.e. a2

and one point of each of the polynomials.

Then from the set of 4 equations of a2, x0..y1 can be defined?

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#33 2013-06-20 01:48:08

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Re: Define the intersection points of polynomials

Me too, and putting more points on the drawing does not give them to me.

I need more info about those quadratics!


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#34 2013-06-20 01:49:29

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Re: Define the intersection points of polynomials

I need you to give me the leading coefficient of two more quadratics through those two unknown points and a point on each of those.

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#35 2013-06-20 01:51:23

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Re: Define the intersection points of polynomials

anonimnystefy wrote:

I need a of four quadratics.

So, if you have 4 quadratics plus a point of each of them you can solve it? i.e you can find x0...y1?

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#36 2013-06-20 01:52:13

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Re: Define the intersection points of polynomials

For post #9? Yes any additional info would help. I have been asking the OP to state the full problem. It might be possible to get more info out of it.


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#37 2013-06-20 01:56:27

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Re: Define the intersection points of polynomials

Herc11 wrote:

anonimnystefy wrote:

I need a of four quadratics.

So, if you have 4 quadratics plus a point of each of them you can solve it? i.e you can find x0...y1?

I think so.


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#38 2013-06-20 01:57:52

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Re: Define the intersection points of polynomials

From just the first coefficient?


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#39 2013-06-20 01:59:16

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Re: Define the intersection points of polynomials

First coefficient of four quadratics and a point on each.


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#40 2013-06-20 02:00:40

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Re: Define the intersection points of polynomials

Want to use post #9 and I will provide the two more quadratics since I know what A and B is?


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I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.

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#41 2013-06-20 02:01:28

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Re: Define the intersection points of polynomials

anonimnystefy

I think so.

I have the same opinion.

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#42 2013-06-20 02:02:39

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Re: Define the intersection points of polynomials

It is more information than you provided in post #1 so I am willing to post the challenge. It is worth a shot.


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#43 2013-06-20 02:03:35

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Re: Define the intersection points of polynomials

bobbym wrote

Want to use post #9 and I will provide the two more quadratics since I know what A and B is?

What do you mean exactly?

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#44 2013-06-20 02:04:55

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Re: Define the intersection points of polynomials

I know the answer for post #9 only because I created it. No one else can know it from that information ( maybe ). I can give 2 more quads.


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#45 2013-06-20 02:05:01

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Re: Define the intersection points of polynomials

Hi bobbym

Where does it say that we have only 2 quadratics in the first post??


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#46 2013-06-20 02:07:14

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Re: Define the intersection points of polynomials

It does not, we just went from there. But so far no one has proved it is possible with n quadratics.


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I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.

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#47 2013-06-20 02:10:42

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Re: Define the intersection points of polynomials

It does not, we just went from there. But so far no one has proved it is possible with n quadratics.

Thats why I am asking.

It seems to me that If there are 4 quad. you can define the 2 interesection points.

Similarly, if the polynomials were of degree 3,  6 polynomials of 3 degree might be needed...and so on...

But I am not sure

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#48 2013-06-20 02:12:27

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Re: Define the intersection points of polynomials

I am going to say that with 4 quadratics or 176 of them you still can not define the two points. That is my opinion.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.

I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.

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#49 2013-06-20 02:14:23

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Re: Define the intersection points of polynomials

bobbym wrote:

I am going to say that with 4 quadratics or 176 of them you still can not define the two points. That is my opinion.

Okay, then give me the first coefficient of four quadratics and a point on each of them and I will try finding the 2 intersections.


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#50 2013-06-20 02:17:26

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Re: Define the intersection points of polynomials

Yes, give some time. I am very interested in your result. Please hold.


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I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.

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