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**cooljackiec****Member**- Registered: 2012-12-13
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i need help with some tangent/circle problems

Two circles have the same center. A chord of the larger circle is tangent to the smaller circle. If the length of the chord is 12, then find the area of the region inside the larger circle but outside the smaller circle.

The circular table in the diagram is pushed tangent to two perpendicular walls. The distances from on the circumference to the two walls are 27 and 6. What is the radius of the table?

Given regular pentagon ABCDE , a circle can be drawn that is tangent to DC at D and to AB at A. What is the number of degrees in minor arc AD?

Points B and A are on a circle with center at O, and point P is outside the circle such that PA and PB are tangent to the circle. Find AB if PA=12 and the radius of the circle is 9.

I see you have graph paper.

You must be plotting something

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: Harlan's World
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Hi

For the first problem I am getting .

For the third problem I am getting

.For the fourth problem, I am getting

.*Last edited by anonimnystefy (2013-06-17 06:14:00)*

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**bob bundy****Administrator**- Registered: 2010-06-20
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hi Stefy,

I've got Q3. Cannot understand Q2 at all. I have four points in a square and that's all. ??

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: Harlan's World
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Hi Bob

I have Q3 as well, I was just doing them out of order.

I cannot understand Q2 either. Mazbe we need to see the mentioned diagram to understand what's going on?

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**bob bundy****Administrator**- Registered: 2010-06-20
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Hi

I agree with both your answers.

Yes, a diagram would help.

I'll post a picture of what I am getting from the Q and maybe cooljackiec can correct it.

Bob

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: Harlan's World
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Do you agree with Q3?

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**bob bundy****Administrator**- Registered: 2010-06-20
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hi cooljackiec

Q2 has stumped us at the moment. I've made a diagram with a circular table against two walls. The walls are AB and AD.

We know that the angle at A is 90; and so are the angles at B and D as the walls make tangents.

So ABCD is a square.

So where does the 27 and 6 come from?

Bob

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**bob bundy****Administrator**- Registered: 2010-06-20
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Stefy wrote:

Do you agree with Q3?

Yes!

Are you giving hints about how you did them?

Bob

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**bobbym****bumpkin**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi cooljackiec;

For Q2:

The circular table in the diagram is pushed tangent to two perpendicular walls. The distances from on the circumference to the two walls are 27 and 6. What is the radius of the table?

r = 51 and r = 15

we reject r = 15 so the answer is r = 51.

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: Harlan's World
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Ah, I think I have it. 27 and 6 are the distances of on of the points on the circumference of the table. Figured it out from bobbym's equation. Good job on figuring it out, bobbym!

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**cooljackiec****Member**- Registered: 2012-12-13
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it was correct.

i was also stumped about 27 and 6. the diageam was corect

I see you have graph paper.

You must be plotting something

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**bob bundy****Administrator**- Registered: 2010-06-20
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Second attempt at a diagram.

Is this correct?

Bob

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**bobbym****bumpkin**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi Bob;

This is what I drew. Circle center on y = x, Circle intersects (6,27) or (27,6). Tangent to the x and y axis.

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**phanthanhtom****Member**- Registered: 2012-06-22
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How old is this guy? This corresponds to VN grade 9. The teacher forces my grade 6 son to read the grade 9 textbook. Now he can do it. It looks obvious.

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**bobbym****bumpkin**- From: Bumpkinland
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It looks obvious.

It can only be considered obvious if one is willing to accept my interpretaion of it as in post #13.

You see the question is incomplete. It is missing some words.

distances from on the circumference

between "from" and "on" there is an important phrase missing. This is the confusion!

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: Harlan's World
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Hi bobbym

If we interpreted the wording correctly (and I believe we have) then I agree with your answer.

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**bobbym****bumpkin**- From: Bumpkinland
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I agree with his answer too. But the only reason that question did not fall in post #7 was because of the omitted words.

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: Harlan's World
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Yes, the wording was the cause of the problem.

Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most. ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment

The knowledge of some things as a function of age is a delta function.

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**bobbym****bumpkin**- From: Bumpkinland
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If everybody who posts questions would only learn the simple thing of being accurate they would come away with more than if they learned 100 theorems.

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**Monox D. I-Fly****Member**- From: Indonesia
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anonimnystefy wrote:

For the first problem I am getting

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How did you get that? I tried it assuming the bigger circle's radius as R and the smaller one's as r, got stuck in r² + 36 = R².

Actually I never watch Star Wars and not interested in it anyway, but I choose a Yoda card as my avatar in honor of our great friend bobbym who has passed away. May his adventurous soul rest in peace at heaven.

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**bob bundy****Administrator**- Registered: 2010-06-20
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hi Monox D. I-Fly

That's correct for the first step. Then:

I'll leave you to finish this.

Bob

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**Monox D. I-Fly****Member**- From: Indonesia
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Ugh... How did I overlook something this simple? It's only one step to boot...

Actually I never watch Star Wars and not interested in it anyway, but I choose a Yoda card as my avatar in honor of our great friend bobbym who has passed away. May his adventurous soul rest in peace at heaven.

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