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0 or does not exist?

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: Harlan's World
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Yes, it is 0. Why should it not exist?

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**phanthanhtom****Member**- Registered: 2012-06-22
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Yup. It is 0. Probably you mean there should be a sign (negative or positive) for infinity? Not needed in this case.

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OK

∞ or does not exist?

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**bobbym****bumpkin**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi;

I would say ∞.

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**phanthanhtom****Member**- Registered: 2012-06-22
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it is infinity.

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But isn't it different from different directions??

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**bobbym****bumpkin**- From: Bumpkinland
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That is very good, I always forget that. You are correct. It is undefined.

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**{7/3}****Member**- Registered: 2013-02-11
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The second limit does not exist,it would exist if absolute value was used.

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Or if the denominator was x[sup]2[/sup]

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**bobbym****bumpkin**- From: Bumpkinland
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Then I would say it is infinity, because it has the same limit from both sides.

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Yes. I was adding an option to post 9 actually

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**bobbym****bumpkin**- From: Bumpkinland
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Mathematica believes the first limit is infinity. Something about a projective plane...

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OK but my কলনবিদ্যা (pronounced something like "Kalanbidya" meaning Calculus) book does not agree that #4 is infinity

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**bobbym****bumpkin**- From: Bumpkinland
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Which one is number 4?

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**{7/3}****Member**- Registered: 2013-02-11
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The limit would also exist,if it was one sided limit.

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Agnishom wrote:

OK

∞ or does not exist?

This is number 4

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**bobbym****bumpkin**- From: Bumpkinland
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Oh yes, I would say it is undefined. I was just mentioning that M does not agree. The Wiki page explains why but I do not understand.

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Could you please provide a link?

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**bobbym****bumpkin**- From: Bumpkinland
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limit_of_a_function

It starts with this line:

In contrast, when working with the projective real line, infinities (much like 0) are unsigned, so, the central limit does exist in that context:

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Which do you not understand?

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**bobbym****bumpkin**- From: Bumpkinland
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The whole thing about why that limit now exists.

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Does it exist?

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**{7/3}****Member**- Registered: 2013-02-11
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In projective space there are 2 points at infinity in any direction,since 2 lines intersect in one point and a parallel line intersects both points at infinity,the two points are considered same,thus in case of real projective line infinity and nagetive infinity are the same points and the limit is simply infinity(or minus infinity,doesn't matters cause they're same)

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