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#1 2013-06-14 23:25:59

phanthanhtom
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Religious discussion

Get this straight. Discuss your religion. Find out the best.
For me atheism is better than any religion. Look at Scandinavia. Not many of them are religious, and result: Good statistics everywhere.
Not communism. Communism is forced atheism. Scandinavia is the example of voluntary atheism.

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#2 2013-06-15 00:36:42

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Re: Religious discussion

Hi;

But atheism is not a religion. Have you been to Scandinavia?


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

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#3 2013-06-15 00:42:13

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Re: Religious discussion

Atheism is better than being in any religion. He meant that


'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'
'Humanity is still kept intact. It remains within.' -Alokananda

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#4 2013-06-15 00:44:20

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Re: Religious discussion

It is certainly easier not having to believe or study anything because you are sure there is nothing there.

What if you are not sure and do not live in Scandinavia?


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

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#5 2013-06-15 00:52:51

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Re: Religious discussion

What has Scandinavia got to do with it?


'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'
'Humanity is still kept intact. It remains within.' -Alokananda

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#6 2013-06-15 00:59:51

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Re: Religious discussion


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

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#7 2013-06-15 01:39:44

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Re: Religious discussion

Did you watch the video he told?


'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'
'Humanity is still kept intact. It remains within.' -Alokananda

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#8 2013-06-15 01:41:13

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Re: Religious discussion

Hi;

Yes, what about it?


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

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#9 2013-06-15 01:50:30

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Re: Religious discussion

I don't know. I've not watched.

What does he mean by "Secular Mathematician"?


'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'
'Humanity is still kept intact. It remains within.' -Alokananda

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#10 2013-06-15 01:54:30

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Re: Religious discussion

I do not think the term applies. A "secular scientist" is one who supposedly studies science with no preconceieved notions. But is that possible?


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

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#11 2013-06-15 01:58:09

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Re: Religious discussion

the video have nothing to do with atheism.
The data link is in my computer. But lookingat the good welfare, stable economy, high living standards... would tell you that immediately.
And I have been to Denmark twice, Norway and Sweden one each. Friendly people, great sense of nationalism and independence and clean place are my main views.

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#12 2013-06-15 02:01:32

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Re: Religious discussion

Hi;

That sounds like the brochure for Vegas.

Here is a little article that suggests that something else may be going on.

[link removed, too horrible!]

There are reportedly cases of arson against churches. I have that link too but will not post it here.

I do not mean to say anything unkind about the place. I have a friend who is Norwegian and he is a very good person. Just for the record he is not an atheist.

Here is a link that shows although Norway slightly tops the list there are many countries close to it in standard of living. A couple are predominantly Catholic. What I am saying is that there is probably no correlation between atheism and prosperity.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Which_country … _the_world


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

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#13 2013-06-15 02:16:15

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Re: Religious discussion

What I am saying is that there is probably no correlation between atheism and prosperity.

I agree. Religion is a private thing.


'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'
'Humanity is still kept intact. It remains within.' -Alokananda

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#14 2013-06-15 02:24:37

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Re: Religious discussion

Hi;

I agree.

atheism:definition

a : a disbelief in the existence of deity
b : the doctrine that there is no deity

While it is true that it would be very difficult to belong to a religion and be an atheist, one could not be affiliated with any religion and still not be an atheist.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

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#15 2013-06-15 02:53:04

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Re: Religious discussion

Well I have data that says Norway is the most religious out of the 3 countries. And religiousity is a complex subject in Scandinavia. The majority of church members in Scandinavia don't believe in Jesus, just for the record.

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#16 2013-06-15 03:07:37

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Re: Religious discussion

Norway is the most religious out of the 3 countries

Then how can they be atheists?

Wikipedia gives a breakdown of about 83 % of the country being Christian.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Norway

Norway has about 5 million people and Sweden about 10 million. It is easy to see with populations that small that there are not many problems. This is probably the reason for the high standard of living. NYC when I lived there had more people than either Sweden or Norway in an area 1000 times smaller!


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

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#17 2013-06-15 14:04:54

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Re: Religious discussion

That means the religious percentage in Norway is higher than both others. And again, religiousity in Scandinavia is complex. Church members are >80% for 2 reasons: good charity activities and nationalism sense as part of a wider movement for a national, historical identity. They are willing to identify themselves as church members, but if you look at the Gallup poll on Importance of Religion, less than 20% says religion is important. Many people near the places I stayed there are church members, but never ever go to church. And Scandinavia is also liberal minded. Would a country with more than 80% Christians legalisms porn in 1968? Homosexual partnership in 1989? Ahead of all others? I don't think so.

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#18 2013-06-15 15:31:40

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Re: Religious discussion

So the legalization of porn and same gender marriage is the reason for their position? Is it not the fact that both countries put together have a population smaller than your country by 5 or 6 times? That the state I grew up in has more people than both countries combined?

The small population means they do not have to police or feed or provide jobs. If they had as many people as my country does then ...

I bet there are more atheists living here then in both countries combined.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

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#19 2013-06-15 16:05:17

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Re: Religious discussion

Wait!

We are messing up the argument between atheist, gay marriage and Human Development Index?

Basically, what is the point we are trying to make?


'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'
'Humanity is still kept intact. It remains within.' -Alokananda

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#20 2013-06-15 16:06:07

bobbym
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Re: Religious discussion

Just a discussion so it will tend to jump around a bit.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

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#21 2013-06-15 16:17:23

phanthanhtom
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Re: Religious discussion

We're switching around to something else later for sure.

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#22 Yesterday 03:33:10

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Re: Religious discussion

ScientistsCallOnGodToSaveThePlanet.jpg


Bassaricyon neblina

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#23 Yesterday 04:02:08

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Re: Religious discussion

Hopefully, they pray better than they compute.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

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#24 Yesterday 05:02:48

Agnishom
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Re: Religious discussion

Media has no idea of what science (or anything) is. They just want an interesting story to sell their newspaper.


'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'
'Humanity is still kept intact. It remains within.' -Alokananda

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#25 Yesterday 07:30:59

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Re: Religious discussion

I disagree.

http://www.independent.co.uk/environmen … 42080.html

Looks like the first bit of intelligent journalism in ohh, about 100 years. Much better than their continued coverage of how much ole Bill G. is worth or the latest fashion trend painted on some rock star bimbo.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

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