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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Do you have the book? It is on page 431 of the sixth edition and he gives 3 examples after the derivation.

**In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.**

**I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.**

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: The Foundation
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Is it anywhere in the 7th edition?

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi;

It is on p 483 in the seventh edition. Looks okay.

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**I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.**

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi

Festisio wrote:

The calculation they use.. it makes a bunch of assumptions.. they are based on prior proofs..

So why would not use the formula he gave at the bottom? That is how he gets his answer.

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**fizzy-flow****Member**- Registered: 2013-06-04
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hey guys i'm not sure how to solve this question and was hoping for someone to help me out :s

(i'm studying for an exam and i'm not sure how they got the answer or if its right or wrong)

thanks in advance

A "pair" of socks is two socks of the same colour. i have 17 identical red socks and 12 identical blue socks in a bag. how many socks must i pull out of the bag ( while i'm blindfolded) to be sure of getting two pairs of socks, of wither colour?

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: The Foundation
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I would say the answer is 5.

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi;

I thought 18.

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**bob bundy****Moderator**- Registered: 2010-06-20
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Hi fizzy-flow

Welcome to the forum.

If four are picked of the same colour then we're done so let's try hard to avoid that. Call the colours x and y.

So avoid xxxx and yyyy.

xxyy means we're done so let's avoid that too

So xxxy or yyyx are the only ways to be sure we haven't yet got two pairs.

So now pick another.

Four possibilities xxxyy or xxxyx or yyyxx or yyyxy

All of these result in two pairs, so I think 5 is the answer, too.

Bob

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: The Foundation
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bobbym wrote:

Hi;

I thought 18.

Hi bobbym

Two socks of the same colour make a pair, not of different colours.

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**bob bundy****Moderator**- Registered: 2010-06-20
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Maybe not in bobbym's world. One man's fashion is another man's individualism.

But even then, it'd have to be 19, to get R-B, R-B

Bob

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: The Foundation
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True.

People like him actually wear green socks.

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**bob bundy****Moderator**- Registered: 2010-06-20
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I had a strange internet moment.

I wanted to take the saying "One man's meat is another man's poison" and make it "One man's fashion is another man's .....?" What? I couldn't think of a word. So I went to an antonym dictionary but it wasn't much help. So I googled "antonym fashion" and got inundated with offers to sell me some.

Bob

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: The Foundation
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Fashion doesn't seem like a noun with an antonym.

Speaking of antonyms and such, I have just been surprised by the fact that the adjective interested has two antonyms.

I think bobbym might also have some maroon socks.

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**bob bundy****Moderator**- Registered: 2010-06-20
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Only two?

Antonym word of happy:

"depressed, discouraged, dissatisfied, miserable, morose, pained, sad, sorrowful, unhappy"

synonym-antonym.com

Bob

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: The Foundation
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Two with different meanings.

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**bob bundy****Moderator**- Registered: 2010-06-20
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I see what you mean. I'll work on it.

Back later.

Bob

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: The Foundation
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Work on what?

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**bob bundy****Moderator**- Registered: 2010-06-20
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hi Stefy,

These words are all antonyms of a certain word. What is it?

bright

light

sunny

clean

shiny

Bob

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: The Foundation
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Are you sure those are all antonyms to that word? How is sunny opposite to that??

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**bob bundy****Moderator**- Registered: 2010-06-20
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Yes. I looked up a word that had lots of meanings. Then I found the antonym for each meaning. That gave the list.

Bob

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**phrontister****Real Member**- From: The Land of Tomorrow
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Hi Bob,

Is this the answer?:

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**bob bundy****Moderator**- Registered: 2010-06-20
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hi Phro,

Well, I'll give it to you for the five words on show, but it wasn't the word I started with. You have earned the right to peek at the hidden 6th word now.

Bob

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**phrontister****Real Member**- From: The Land of Tomorrow
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Hi Bob,

"The good news about computers is that they do what you tell them to do. The bad news is that they do what you tell them to do." - Ted Nelson

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**bob bundy****Moderator**- Registered: 2010-06-20
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hi Phro

Another excellent try and yet not my word either.

I suppose this is the result of choosing a general purpose word. It has lots of meanings including attempt #2.

Bob

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**phrontister****Real Member**- From: The Land of Tomorrow
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Hi Bob,

Thought I had it with that last one.

Hmmm....

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