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#51 2013-05-30 05:27:52

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Re: triangle inequality

Then I used a couple of more relationships and the triangle inequality to test the integers from 7 to 84. 83 was the biggest.


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#52 2013-05-30 05:29:46

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Re: triangle inequality

Well, the 83 comes directly from the upper bound.

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And, what exactly are we doing now. We have the value, we have constructed the triangle. What else is there to do?

Last edited by anonimnystefy (2013-05-30 05:32:37)


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#53 2013-05-30 05:32:40

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Re: triangle inequality

The upper bound I showed is 84. 83 works but 84 does not.


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#54 2013-05-30 05:34:03

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Well, of course it doesn't work. The triangle inequality states a+b>c, not >=c.


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#55 2013-05-30 05:44:59

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It took a little M code to try from 7 to 84.


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#56 2013-05-30 05:45:41

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There was no need to try them, but whatever.


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#57 2013-05-30 05:48:19

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Re: triangle inequality

With what I dug up, I had to try them all. What did you have to shorten that?


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#58 2013-05-30 06:32:01

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Well, I had the fact that the lengths 1/12, 1/14 and 1/hc must form a triangle, where 1/hc is as small as possible. Because of the triangle inequality we have that 1/hc>1/12-1/14=1/84. So, hc<84. The maximum possible length is 83.


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#59 2013-05-30 06:38:33

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Okay but what about this?

1/hc>1/12-1/14


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#60 2013-05-30 06:40:26

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What about it?


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#61 2013-05-30 06:41:33

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Why the minus and not a plus?


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#62 2013-05-30 06:44:31

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Re: triangle inequality

The triangle inequality states that 1/hc+1/14>1/12.


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#63 2013-05-30 06:46:32

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What triangle? That inequality is for the sides. You have altitudes there.


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#64 2013-05-30 06:47:46

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Yes, but, as I already said, 1/ha=1/12, 1/hb=1/14 and 1/hc must be length of some triangle in order to be a valid set of altitudes.


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#65 2013-05-30 06:54:38

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I do not get it but it works so the problem is done.


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#66 2013-05-30 06:58:27

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Well, it is because a*ha=b*hb=c*hc. From this we can get a:b:c=(1/ha):(1/hb):(1/hc), which means that, if a, b and c can form a triangle, 1/ha, 1/hb and 1/hc must be able to form a triangle as well.

Last edited by anonimnystefy (2013-05-30 06:58:35)


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#67 2013-05-30 07:02:38

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Hi;

Okay, see you later.


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#68 2013-05-30 07:17:45

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Okay, see you! smile


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#69 2013-06-01 00:19:55

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Re: triangle inequality

I have a different solution.

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#70 2013-06-01 00:20:44

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Re: triangle inequality

Hi;

What is it, please post what you have.


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#71 2013-06-01 00:23:32

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Re: triangle inequality

[Code fixed by admin]

Solve[{12 ==1/a Sqrt[2] \[Sqrt]((a + b + c) (1/2 (a + b + c) - a) (1/2 (a + b + c) - b) (1/2 (a + b + c) - c)), 14 == 1/b Sqrt[2] \[Sqrt]((a + b + c) (1/2 (a + b + c) - a) (1/2 (a + b + c) - b) (1/2 (a + b + c) - c)), 
   83 == 1/c Sqrt[2] \[Sqrt]((a + b + c) (1/2 (a + b + c) - a) (1/2 (a + b + c) - b) (1/2 (a + b + c) - c)), 12 == (b*c)/(2 R)}, {a, b, c, R}] // N

Only had to try 84 and 83.

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#72 2013-06-01 00:27:38

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Re: triangle inequality

Hi;

That is very good. Nice work.


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I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.

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