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#26 2013-04-15 10:01:27

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Re: Julianthemath's number 3

Yikes! What question are you asking? You can not expect a closed form for that recurrence.


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#27 2013-04-15 10:09:37

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Re: Julianthemath's number 3

Hm, maybe we can watch how the binary representation changes?


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#28 2013-04-15 10:13:04

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Re: Julianthemath's number 3

I am not following you. The binary representation of the output sequence?


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#29 2013-04-15 10:14:10

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Re: Julianthemath's number 3

Yes. a_n's in binary.


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#30 2013-04-15 10:15:57

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Re: Julianthemath's number 3

Do you have access to m?


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#31 2013-04-15 10:18:17

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Re: Julianthemath's number 3

I did 30 minutes ago. Now I do not.


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#32 2013-04-15 10:19:20

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Re: Julianthemath's number 3

Okay, give me some time to enter the recurrence and compute some numbers.


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#33 2013-04-15 10:20:21

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Re: Julianthemath's number 3

Is there an M command for binary to decimal and decimal to binary conversion?


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#34 2013-04-15 10:29:32

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Re: Julianthemath's number 3

What are the initial conditions for the difference equation?

Go into the pull down menu for help,

Virtual Book > Mathematics and Algorithms > Numbers > Digits in Numbers

there is all the information you need.


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#35 2013-04-15 11:16:58

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Re: Julianthemath's number 3

a_1=1.

I will look at that later.


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#36 2013-04-15 11:19:12

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Re: Julianthemath's number 3

The recurrence is not working.


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#37 2013-04-15 11:21:18

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Re: Julianthemath's number 3

What do you mean?


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#38 2013-04-15 11:28:04

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Re: Julianthemath's number 3

I have probably misunderstood something so let me check each part. In post #25, does that replace the Xor as well as the binary representation ?


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#39 2013-04-15 11:34:38

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Re: Julianthemath's number 3

It does not replace the xor. Just the binary stuff.


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#40 2013-04-15 11:40:18

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Re: Julianthemath's number 3

So this expression

is xored with a[n-1]?


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#41 2013-04-15 11:41:12

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Re: Julianthemath's number 3

Julianthemath's discovery 5 soon!


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#42 2013-04-15 11:43:56

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Re: Julianthemath's number 3

bobbym wrote:

So this expression

is xored with a[n-1]?

You haven't copied it correctly.

But, yes. We xor that with a[n-1].


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#43 2013-04-15 11:51:03

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Re: Julianthemath's number 3

Yes, I have it working now.


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#44 2013-04-15 12:39:54

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Re: Julianthemath's number 3

Great! What now?

By the way, I just read Heinlein's "And he built a crooked house".


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#45 2013-04-15 13:59:08

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Re: Julianthemath's number 3

Here is the first 20 or so:

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#46 2013-04-15 18:52:57

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Re: Julianthemath's number 3

So, there is a pattern, alright!


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#47 2013-04-15 20:45:05

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Re: Julianthemath's number 3

Yes!


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#48 2013-04-15 21:20:43

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Re: Julianthemath's number 3

So, there is a pattern, alright!

Everything that glitters is not gold.


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#49 2013-04-15 21:55:56

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Re: Julianthemath's number 3

That is true. I do not know how to get a general form from those.

Have you tried FindSequenceFunction on the terms?


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#50 2013-04-15 21:59:22

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Re: Julianthemath's number 3

That was the second thing I did.

In chained notation:

M = Newton -> Euler -> Fermat


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