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Hi;
Exactly! .3333333333333333 < .33333333333... In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them. I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it. All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof. #52 20130307 09:48:18
Re: [1 paradox]Actually, 0.999999 will eventually become 1. Everywhere you write 0.999..., 1is also a valid figure. The limit operator is just an excuse for doing something you know you can't. “It's the subject that nobody knows anything about that we can all talk about!” ― Richard Feynman “Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment #53 20130307 09:53:02
Re: [1 paradox]Now you are talking. .99999999... = 1 In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them. I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it. All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof. #54 20130307 10:00:24
Re: [1 paradox]If it existed, it would be 1. But, I still banish it from maths. It is needless. The limit operator is just an excuse for doing something you know you can't. “It's the subject that nobody knows anything about that we can all talk about!” ― Richard Feynman “Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment #55 20130307 10:03:09
Re: [1 paradox]It just means more nines, saves us from writing all of them. You can not banish it. It is a definition. In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them. I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it. All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof. #56 20130307 10:34:17
Re: [1 paradox]It is not a definition. Can you prove the existence of 0.999...? No! The limit operator is just an excuse for doing something you know you can't. “It's the subject that nobody knows anything about that we can all talk about!” ― Richard Feynman “Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment #57 20130307 10:35:26
Re: [1 paradox]Of course I can. In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them. I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it. All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof. #58 20130307 19:04:56
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Whatever do you mean by 'existence'? All numbers are defined and all have equal 'existence', whatever that is. You cannot teach a man anything; you can only help him find it within himself..........Galileo Galilei #59 20130308 02:41:56
Re: [1 paradox]Why won't a number exist? 'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.' 'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it' 'Who are you to judge everything?' Alokananda #60 20130308 08:11:37
Re: [1 paradox]Hi; In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them. I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it. All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof. #61 20130308 09:46:15
Re: [1 paradox]Just the other day I decided to eat 0.99999..... apples. It was delicious! mmmmm You cannot teach a man anything; you can only help him find it within himself..........Galileo Galilei #62 20130308 10:47:20
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You will have a hard time proving that now. In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them. I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it. All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof. #63 20130322 18:21:30
Re: [1 paradox]0.999... is only equal to 1 because we humans made rules stating it is. I'd like to see you prove 0.999... = 1 without those rules. Last edited by PKBeam (20130322 18:37:55) #64 20130322 21:06:53
Re: [1 paradox]Hi;
I am afraid that is not correct.
The aliens also think .99999999... = 1. Last edited by bobbym (20130322 21:15:36) In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them. I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it. All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof. #65 20130322 21:24:30
Re: [1 paradox]Reppy was so cool. "The physicists defer only to mathematicians, and the mathematicians defer only to God ..."  Leon M. Lederman #66 20130323 19:31:21
Re: [1 paradox]hi
Well actually, yes you do. We are so used to it as an absolute truth that we forget that there are rules governing this. Last edited by bob bundy (20130323 19:34:26) You cannot teach a man anything; you can only help him find it within himself..........Galileo Galilei #67 20130323 23:35:50
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OK then, how? #68 20130323 23:49:22
Re: [1 paradox]If you do schoolboy division you would say 3 goes into 1 with 1 left etc... Last edited by bobbym (20130324 00:03:10) In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them. I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it. All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof. #69 20130324 11:20:24
Re: [1 paradox]I don't know how to put this in a way you can understand, but it's generally accepted that 0.999... + 1/∞ = 1, people just choose to believe 1/∞ = 0. So we can use this equation to prove the value of 1/3. #70 20130324 11:44:21
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That is not generally accepted because of a couple of things, for one 1 / ∞ ≠ 0. but that is not the same thing. This is also a little funny 0.999... + 1/∞ = 1 you can not use infinity as if you were using the number 5 or 56. Infinity is not a number. You can not do arithmetic with it. It would lead to many contradictions. What is true is 1 / 3 = .3333333... you need nothing else notation wise. Now just drop the 1/∞ from your thoughts and you are there. We both can then agree 1 / 3 = .33333333... 3 ( 1 / 3 ) = 3 ( .3333333....) = .99999999... 1 = .99999999.... Now we can start to do some mathematics! We agree with everyone else about the rules of the game.
Base 10 is a positional number system that uses powers of ten and the digits 0  9 to represent numbers. It is a not a round number nor is it flawed. Last edited by bobbym (20130324 15:49:03) In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them. I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it. All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof. #71 20130324 18:58:40
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Not by number theorists. The rules (axioms) for number theory specifically do not allow infinity to be treated as a number. It doesn't obey the rules of arithmetic so 1/∞ is meaningless. Last edited by bob bundy (20130324 19:02:46) You cannot teach a man anything; you can only help him find it within himself..........Galileo Galilei #72 20130405 13:52:11
Re: [1 paradox]I don't know if somebody already said this, but saying that .999...≠1 implies that there is a number between .999... and 1 that is distinct from both of them. There is not. #73 20130405 17:52:56
Re: [1 paradox]hi ncik You cannot teach a man anything; you can only help him find it within himself..........Galileo Galilei #74 20130406 22:28:48
Re: [1 paradox]Hello guys; #75 20130406 23:07:50
Re: [1 paradox]hi Maiya Bob You cannot teach a man anything; you can only help him find it within himself..........Galileo Galilei 