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## #176 2012-11-26 00:10:11

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Hi;

In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

## #177 2013-03-19 20:01:00

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#### bobbym wrote:

Hmmmm.

You have 4 boxes. You can toss balls one at a time to the boxes until any one of them has 3 balls in it, and then you stop.
The tosses are independent, and each bin is equally likely to be hit. It's impossible to not make it in a bin on any given toss.
What is the expected number of tosses so that 1 bin has 3 balls in it?

See you in a bit.

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## #178 2013-03-19 20:17:37

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Hi;

In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

## #179 2013-03-19 20:20:36

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I'm not sure what you mean...

The limit operator is just an excuse for doing something you know you can't.
“It's the subject that nobody knows anything about that we can all talk about!” ― Richard Feynman
“Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment

## #180 2013-03-19 20:29:52

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Hmmmm, number 10 in the dice.pdf. Does that mean anything to you?

In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

## #181 2013-03-19 20:56:56

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Yes, I know the problem. But I am not sure I understand what you are trying to say...

The limit operator is just an excuse for doing something you know you can't.
“It's the subject that nobody knows anything about that we can all talk about!” ― Richard Feynman
“Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment

## #182 2013-03-19 20:57:55

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I posed that to Matt for that very reason!

In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

## #183 2013-03-19 21:20:08

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What reason?

The limit operator is just an excuse for doing something you know you can't.
“It's the subject that nobody knows anything about that we can all talk about!” ― Richard Feynman
“Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment

## #184 2013-03-19 21:21:07

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I gave him that problem because I needed an answer to the very problem you just solved.

In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

## #185 2013-03-19 21:38:30

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Uh-huh! How did you solve that problem?

The limit operator is just an excuse for doing something you know you can't.
“It's the subject that nobody knows anything about that we can all talk about!” ― Richard Feynman
“Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment

## #186 2013-03-19 21:46:03

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I just counted them. But now I would try to use your idea from the problem #10.

In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

## #187 2013-03-19 21:49:47

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I already got it working for more bins.

The limit operator is just an excuse for doing something you know you can't.
“It's the subject that nobody knows anything about that we can all talk about!” ― Richard Feynman
“Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment

## #188 2013-03-19 22:00:36

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I know that.

I have been waiting for you Obi Wan...

In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

## #189 2013-03-20 03:29:45

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...

The limit operator is just an excuse for doing something you know you can't.
“It's the subject that nobody knows anything about that we can all talk about!” ― Richard Feynman
“Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment

## #190 2013-03-20 06:10:43

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Hmmm. Thee dots...

In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

## #191 2013-03-20 06:15:37

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#### bobbym wrote:

I know that.

I have been waiting for you Obi Wan...

I am not sure what you meant by this.

The limit operator is just an excuse for doing something you know you can't.
“It's the subject that nobody knows anything about that we can all talk about!” ― Richard Feynman
“Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment

## #192 2013-03-20 06:18:47

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It means I have been waiting for you to solve this problem. His solution to #10 gave no insight into how to do it other than what I already knew.

In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

## #193 2013-03-20 07:31:02

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That is great. If only we had a better form for that...

The limit operator is just an excuse for doing something you know you can't.
“It's the subject that nobody knows anything about that we can all talk about!” ― Richard Feynman
“Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment

## #194 2013-03-20 07:41:06

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You mean a form that would make math types happy?

It already is in a nice form for a CAS. Allows us to compute some big numbers.

In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

## #195 2013-03-20 07:42:42

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I'm not sure how large it can go...

The limit operator is just an excuse for doing something you know you can't.
“It's the subject that nobody knows anything about that we can all talk about!” ― Richard Feynman
“Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment

## #196 2013-03-20 07:44:59

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I have not looked at it for very large ones but it is doing much larger ones than was possible before.

In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

## #197 2013-03-20 09:48:25

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Well, it is certainly better than his method!

The limit operator is just an excuse for doing something you know you can't.
“It's the subject that nobody knows anything about that we can all talk about!” ― Richard Feynman
“Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment

## #198 2013-03-20 12:23:19

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Yes, his method is kind of clumsy and brute force like.

In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

## #199 2013-03-20 23:36:20

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Yes. I like mine better.

The limit operator is just an excuse for doing something you know you can't.
“It's the subject that nobody knows anything about that we can all talk about!” ― Richard Feynman
“Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment

## #200 2013-03-21 00:01:08

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Well, how does it feel to come up with a solution like that?

In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.