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#2251 2013-02-17 01:33:01

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Re: What do you think?

I have been looking at the sequence of answers for a pattern there.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

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#2252 2013-02-28 04:59:32

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Re: What do you think?

New Problem:

Find the smallest natural number for which, if you move its last digit to the beginning, you get a number that is 6 times the original. Or prove that no such number can exist.

A says) Finally some real mathematics, I have a proof using Banach spaces that no such number can exist!

B says)I have the number. It is

C says) Hold on B, how can you have the number after A proved it can not exist? You should not go off making spurious claims. A has done it again.

D says) A has confused me again.

E says) I have the number too but it is larger than B's.

Who is right? Can there be at least 2 solutions or no solutions?


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

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#2253 2013-02-28 07:23:22

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Re: What do you think?

Hi bobbym


“Here lies the reader who will never open this book. He is forever dead.

“Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment

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#2254 2013-02-28 07:30:44

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Re: What do you think?

Hi;


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

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#2255 2013-02-28 07:45:37

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Hi bobbym

Last edited by anonimnystefy (2013-02-28 07:47:09)


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“Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment

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#2256 2013-02-28 07:49:40

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Re: What do you think?

Hi;


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

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#2257 2013-02-28 07:52:40

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Re: What do you think?

Did you see both?


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#2258 2013-02-28 07:55:59

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Re: What do you think?

Yes, the question is, is E right?


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

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#2259 2013-02-28 07:58:18

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“Here lies the reader who will never open this book. He is forever dead.

“Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment

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#2260 2013-02-28 08:03:53

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In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

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#2261 2013-02-28 08:07:12

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Re: What do you think?

Hi bobbym


“Here lies the reader who will never open this book. He is forever dead.

“Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment

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#2262 2013-02-28 08:13:18

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In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

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#2263 2013-02-28 08:17:52

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Hi bobbym


“Here lies the reader who will never open this book. He is forever dead.

“Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment

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#2264 2013-02-28 08:20:50

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Re: What do you think?

Hi;


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

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#2265 2013-02-28 08:26:53

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“Here lies the reader who will never open this book. He is forever dead.

“Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment

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#2266 2013-02-28 08:28:47

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Re: What do you think?

Hi;


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

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#2267 2013-02-28 08:33:16

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Hi

You're welcome! smile


“Here lies the reader who will never open this book. He is forever dead.

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#2268 2013-03-01 04:35:14

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Re: What do you think?

How do you solve that?


'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
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#2269 2013-03-01 06:03:49

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Re: What do you think?

Hi Agnishom;

There are at least two ways, computer and a little algebra. Actually this makes a good Euler project and you should try it by programming first.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

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#2270 2013-03-01 22:58:27

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Re: What do you think?

It would take too much time for my computer to calculate 50 digits of numbers.

How do I start eliminating possibilities?


'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'
'Humanity is still kept intact. It remains within.' -Alokananda

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#2271 2013-03-02 07:11:26

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Re: What do you think?

Hi;

There is a famous article written by an unknown genius called "Commonsense Brute Force and the Computer," that covers this concept.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

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#2272 2013-03-02 16:09:01

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Re: What do you think?

smile Why does the genius still wish to remain anonymous???

However, will you please explain the pseudocode to the problem?


'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'
'Humanity is still kept intact. It remains within.' -Alokananda

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#2273 2013-03-02 16:19:23

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Re: What do you think?

Hi;

I will see what I can come up with.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

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#2274 2013-03-02 16:22:50

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Re: What do you think?

But you already know...
You have already solved the problem


'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'
'Humanity is still kept intact. It remains within.' -Alokananda

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#2275 2013-03-02 16:27:16

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Hi;

Yes, but believe it or not Mathematica makes those problems very easy. I hardly had to do any coding at all!


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

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