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## #2226 2013-02-17 22:41:02

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### Re: What do you think?

I experimented with mean and mode to get approximate values.
Can we numerically solve the simultaneous equations?

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## #2227 2013-02-17 22:46:02

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Hi gAr;

I am sorry, but on this one Mr anonimnystefy has left me dumber than a burned out stump. Apparently his method has fried my brain. I am so confused I can not solve 3 + x = 9. Can you show me what you want done? You can use codecogs for the latexing.

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I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

## #2228 2013-02-17 23:05:39

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Hi bobbym,

Don't worry!
I was trying to solve for the mode and mean:
l*(1-1/k)^(1/k) = 7
l*gamma(1+1/k) = 4084571/559872

"Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense"  - Buddha?

"Data! Data! Data!" he cried impatiently. "I can't make bricks without clay."

## #2229 2013-02-17 23:08:37

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Hi;

Only those two equations?

In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

## #2230 2013-02-17 23:22:04

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### Re: What do you think?

#### bobbym wrote:

When you do 4 of a kind, do you use the 6th row instead of the 5th row of the T's?

Hi bobbym

No, when I do 4, the numbers are in that table!

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## #2231 2013-02-17 23:23:27

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No, when I do 4, the numbers are in that table!

Where are they? That is what I would like to know.

In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

## #2232 2013-02-17 23:25:35

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I don't know if they are even in the OEIS.

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“Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment

## #2233 2013-02-17 23:27:27

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So you are saying they are not?

In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

## #2234 2013-02-17 23:29:30

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Hi bobbym,

Yes.

"Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense"  - Buddha?

"Data! Data! Data!" he cried impatiently. "I can't make bricks without clay."

## #2235 2013-02-17 23:30:56

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I have:

as one set of roots.

Last edited by bobbym (2013-02-17 23:31:12)

In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

## #2236 2013-02-17 23:31:18

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I just checked. They are not in the OEIS.

The limit operator is just an excuse for doing something you know you can't.
“It's the subject that nobody knows anything about that we can all talk about!” ― Richard Feynman
“Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment

## #2237 2013-02-17 23:33:55

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Then I will work with your coefficient idea.

In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

## #2238 2013-02-17 23:37:04

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Coefficient idea?

The limit operator is just an excuse for doing something you know you can't.
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“Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment

## #2239 2013-02-17 23:39:33

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In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

## #2240 2013-02-17 23:42:44

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Ah! Okay.

The limit operator is just an excuse for doing something you know you can't.
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“Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment

## #2241 2013-02-17 23:43:16

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whoops, did not fit as I expected.
Taking a break from this, see you guys later.

"Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense"  - Buddha?

"Data! Data! Data!" he cried impatiently. "I can't make bricks without clay."

## #2242 2013-02-17 23:44:56

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Hi gAr

See you later!

Hi bobbym

I think the GF coefficients are Stirling numbers of the second kind!

The limit operator is just an excuse for doing something you know you can't.
“It's the subject that nobody knows anything about that we can all talk about!” ― Richard Feynman
“Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment

## #2243 2013-02-17 23:47:14

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Hi;

Okay gAr come back soon.

Hi anonimnystefy;

I have not looked at that yet.

In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

## #2244 2013-02-17 23:53:42

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Hi bobbym

Sorry, no, those are not Stirling numbers. False alarm!

The limit operator is just an excuse for doing something you know you can't.
“It's the subject that nobody knows anything about that we can all talk about!” ― Richard Feynman
“Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment

## #2245 2013-02-17 23:59:30

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To make sure I am doing this right. The notation of

[x^3]{1 + x + x^2 + 10x^3 + x^4}

returns 10, yes?

In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

## #2246 2013-02-18 00:00:07

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Yes.

The limit operator is just an excuse for doing something you know you can't.
“It's the subject that nobody knows anything about that we can all talk about!” ― Richard Feynman
“Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment

## #2247 2013-02-18 00:10:08

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Okay, I have translated your maxima code into Mathematica code.

In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

## #2248 2013-02-18 00:13:11

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Great! Did you take the general formula function, or the special cases?

The limit operator is just an excuse for doing something you know you can't.
“It's the subject that nobody knows anything about that we can all talk about!” ― Richard Feynman
“Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment

## #2249 2013-02-18 00:17:30

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Your general formula. I have it working.

In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

## #2250 2013-02-18 00:29:52

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Great!

The limit operator is just an excuse for doing something you know you can't.
“It's the subject that nobody knows anything about that we can all talk about!” ― Richard Feynman
“Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment