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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi;

**In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.**

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**gAr****Member**- Registered: 2011-01-09
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"Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense" - Buddha?

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi;

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**In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.**

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**gAr****Member**- Registered: 2011-01-09
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That's an awesome formula!

I'll take a break, see you later...

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi;

Okay and thanks for coming in. Have you seen Conroy's new dice problems?

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: The Foundation
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Hi bobbym

These: http://www.mathisfunforum.com/viewtopic.php?id=18866?

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Yes, I was telling gAr about it. We download and study those.

I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: The Foundation
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Okay, I will read your discussion.

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Which one will you read?

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**gAr****Member**- Registered: 2011-01-09
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Hi bobbym,

I downloaded that, but did not go through yet.

Any problem particularly interesting?

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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There is one that is dynamite. It is mine! Look at #10.

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**gAr****Member**- Registered: 2011-01-09
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Hi,

Ah, yes, that looks terrific!

Did you try for a face showing up more than twice?

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Yes, that is my problem. Three times a face must show.

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**gAr****Member**- Registered: 2011-01-09
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Solved using markov chains?

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Yes, a 730 x 730 matrix. But I did not solve it, I just proposed it to him. He solved it and emailed me that he would add it to the pdf.

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: The Foundation
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It reminds me of your urn problem.

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**gAr****Member**- Registered: 2011-01-09
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Oh, you meant that you proposed the problem, I thought it was yours to solve!

I'll give it a try as well.

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi gAr and anonimnystefy;

Correct!

I proposed a bigger version of the urn problem to him so that he would work on it for the pdf. Ours is just as tough but can not be phrased as a dice problem.

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: The Foundation
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I think I have found a connection of that problem with this sequence.

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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I am not following what you mean.

First, which problem?

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: The Foundation
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10th problem from that pdf. The probability that the ith dice will be a third of a number is Binomial[i-1,2]/6^(i-1) *the (i-2)th number of the 6th row of the first triangles in the examples.

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Is it the first third of a number?

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: The Foundation
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Third?

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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That table is giving the probability of the the ith ball being a third one in a box. But is it the first ball to be the third one in any box or could there be others?

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: The Foundation
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The table doesn't give the probability. To get the probability you need to multiply by Binomial[i-1,2]/6^(i-1)

It is the probability that the number on the ith dice is the first one to appear 3 time.

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