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#2101 2013-01-22 03:21:41

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Re: What do you think?

Okay, I get what you mean.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

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#2102 2013-01-22 03:22:55

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Re: What do you think?

Okay, taking a break, see you later..


"Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense"  - Buddha?

"Data! Data! Data!" he cried impatiently. "I can't make bricks without clay."

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#2103 2013-01-22 03:27:33

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Re: What do you think?

Okay, same here. Thanks for stopping in.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

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#2104 2013-02-09 11:23:44

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Re: What do you think?

New Problem:

B and C get caught up in a game. They start with an ordinary deck of cards. C shuffles them and B guesses red or black, one card at a time. If B guesses right the card goes in his pile, if not the card goes in C's pile. After the last card each player counts his pile and pays the person with the most cards the difference between the two piles. They pay 10 dollars for each card. The piles are in clear view of both players at all times so there is no chance for mistakes. A game might go like this:

C's pile has 25 cards and B's pile has 27 cards. So C would pay B, 20 dollars because 10(27 - 25) = 20.

They play for a long time, B guessing and C dealing and B cleans C out. C runs home and gets more money. They play again and B wipes him out again. C runs to A and asks how this is possible.

A says) B was a great dealer and is obviously cheating.

B says) Nothing, since he is out buying things with C's money.

C says) How could he be cheating, he never touches the cards? I shuffle and I turn them up, one at a time. He should average 26 but he doesn't, he always has more!

D says) B should be horsewhipped for cheating you. Obviously the cards are marked on the back.

E says) Kaboobly doo, B just caught you on the 60 - 40 end of a proposition. Not only does he know he has the advantage, he must know how much of an advantage. In other words his expected return.

A and D say) Never mind her, Take a brand new deck and go play some more with him.

Do you like A and D's advice to C? With a new deck, what is B's expected value per game?

Last edited by bobbym (2013-02-09 23:14:56)


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

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#2105 2013-02-09 17:56:05

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Re: What do you think?

Hi bobbym


“Here lies the reader who will never open this book. He is forever dead.

“Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment

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#2106 2013-02-09 22:23:10

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Re: What do you think?

Hi;

I would imagine that B would use anything that was available to him.

Last edited by bobbym (2013-02-09 22:59:15)


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

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#2107 2013-02-09 23:27:37

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Re: What do you think?

The question is hard!


“Here lies the reader who will never open this book. He is forever dead.

“Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment

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#2108 2013-02-09 23:30:10

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Re: What do you think?

Hi;

Last edited by bobbym (2013-02-09 23:30:25)


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

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#2109 2013-02-09 23:32:28

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Re: What do you think?

I am nowhere near B's capabilities!


“Here lies the reader who will never open this book. He is forever dead.

“Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment

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#2110 2013-02-09 23:34:46

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Re: What do you think?

Heck neither am I but I am much better looking.
You probably do not know this old song, "Anything B can do I can do better."


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

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#2111 2013-02-09 23:43:29

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Re: What do you think?

I do not know it. And I do not agree with its lyrics.


“Here lies the reader who will never open this book. He is forever dead.

“Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment

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#2112 2013-02-09 23:47:34

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Re: What do you think?

How do we go about solving problems of this type? How do we start?

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In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

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#2113 2013-02-09 23:54:20

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Re: What do you think?

I am not sure. I am stumped by this one...


“Here lies the reader who will never open this book. He is forever dead.

“Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment

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#2114 2013-02-09 23:59:42

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Re: What do you think?

We work backwards from the answer to the question. That way we always have an answer.

It is okay to talk to yourself, it is even okay to answer yourself just as long as you do not say, "what do you mean?"


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

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#2115 2013-02-10 00:21:10

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Re: What do you think?

But we do not have the answer...


“Here lies the reader who will never open this book. He is forever dead.

“Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment

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#2116 2013-02-10 00:24:17

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Re: What do you think?

Hmmmm. Is mathematics the only way to get answers? Are there any other tools?


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

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#2117 2013-02-10 00:28:05

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Re: What do you think?

Of course, but I do not like simulating as an option. Might take too long...


“Here lies the reader who will never open this book. He is forever dead.

“Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment

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#2118 2013-02-10 00:33:16

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Re: What do you think?

Might take too long? When you do not have an answer it is the only option unless you are Carnak.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

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#2119 2013-02-10 01:51:10

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Re: What do you think?

Haha, well, maybe I will be able to solve it without that, like I do with most of your problems...


“Here lies the reader who will never open this book. He is forever dead.

“Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment

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#2120 2013-02-10 01:53:46

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Re: What do you think?

Hmmmm. Okay, post your solutions when you get it.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

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#2121 2013-02-15 23:28:04

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Re: What do you think?

Hi bobbym,


"Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense"  - Buddha?

"Data! Data! Data!" he cried impatiently. "I can't make bricks without clay."

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#2122 2013-02-15 23:33:19

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Re: What do you think?

Hi gAr;


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

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#2123 2013-02-15 23:38:12

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"Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense"  - Buddha?

"Data! Data! Data!" he cried impatiently. "I can't make bricks without clay."

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#2124 2013-02-15 23:42:43

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Re: What do you think?

Hi;


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

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#2125 2013-02-15 23:52:13

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Re: What do you think?

Hi,


"Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense"  - Buddha?

"Data! Data! Data!" he cried impatiently. "I can't make bricks without clay."

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