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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: The Foundation
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Hi

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi;

**In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.**

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: The Foundation
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A 2x2 matrix? How?

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi;

**In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.**

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: The Foundation
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Hi bobbym

Here lies the reader who will never open this book. He is forever dead.

Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most. ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi;

**In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.**

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**gAr****Member**- Registered: 2011-01-09
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Hi bobbym,

"Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense" - Buddha?

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi gAr;

I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.

All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

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**gAr****Member**- Registered: 2011-01-09
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Hi bobbym,

"Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense" - Buddha?

"Data! Data! Data!" he cried impatiently. "I can't make bricks without clay."

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi gAr;

I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.

All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

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**phrontister****Real Member**- From: The Land of Tomorrow
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Hi Bobby,

"The good news about computers is that they do what you tell them to do. The bad news is that they do what you tell them to do." - Ted Nelson

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi phrontister;

I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.

All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

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**gAr****Member**- Registered: 2011-01-09
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Hi bobbym,

"Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense" - Buddha?

"Data! Data! Data!" he cried impatiently. "I can't make bricks without clay."

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi gAr;

I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.

All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

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**phrontister****Real Member**- From: The Land of Tomorrow
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Hi Bobby,

Howdy!

The spreadsheet (which I've deleted by mistake ) gave the answer after about 25 to 30 iterations, depending on the starting volume of water in the urns. I tried it with the same volume in each urn and also with different volumes in each urn, with not much change to the number of iterations.

"The good news about computers is that they do what you tell them to do. The bad news is that they do what you tell them to do." - Ted Nelson

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**gAr****Member**- Registered: 2011-01-09
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You're welcome!

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**phrontister****Real Member**- From: The Land of Tomorrow
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Hi gAr,

Thank you for your welcome! You must speed read/speed type!

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi phrontister;

Yes the naswer is independent of the volumes of the urns and the starting amounts of water.

Hi gAr;

The Feller books have a lot of stuff in them!

I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.

All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

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**gAr****Member**- Registered: 2011-01-09
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Hi phrontister,

I did not see that you had written up there, I actually replied to bobbym!

Hi bobbym,

Yes, you're right, he has covered a lot of topics.

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi;

Thanks for both of you looking at the problem.

I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.

All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

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**gAr****Member**- Registered: 2011-01-09
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Hi bobbym,

I have a question on numerical methods:

How do we test whether a huge integer is a perfect square, if I'm to implement it in a language like C?

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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How big is the integer?

I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.

All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

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**gAr****Member**- Registered: 2011-01-09
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A number which fits "long" data type, taking 64 bits..

I'll take a break, see you later..

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi gAr;

Comparing floating point numbers like the routine sqr in C++ does and integers can be tricky.

I assume you want unsigned 64 bit numbers you will be testing numbers from 0 to 18446744073709551616. The roots would range from 0 to 4294967296.

Are your arguments going to be integers or floating point numbers?

I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.

All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

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**gAr****Member**- Registered: 2011-01-09
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In particular, I'm trying to find values of n for which a polynomial like n*(5*n+14)+1 are perfect squares..

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