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## #1 2006-01-18 14:07:59

Shaunt
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Registered: 2006-01-18
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### 2 Event Probobility

Here is a question from a test I recently I just took. My teacher and I disagree on the answer.

"A printer printed a card with black ink on blue paper and an envelope with blue ink on blue paper. If the colors were chosen at random from a stock of 7 inks and 6 papers, what was the probobility of the given result?"

He thinks it is 1/21. I think it is 1/1764. He says that the reason that it is 1/21 is that there are two seperate events, but he cannot explain this any further, and I am not convinved.

Can anyone help me on this?

Thanks.

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## #2 2006-01-18 14:43:56

ryos
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### Re: 2 Event Probobility

The total number of ways a paper/ink choice combination could come out is given by p*i. So, it's 42. You seem to know that already.

So, the chance of any one of those choices coming up is 1/42. You need to figure out the probability that two paper/ink choices will come out a certain way.

The choices made in one event to not affect the probability of any given choice coming up in a second event. So, the probability of the first event happening the way it did is 1/42, and the probability of the second happening the way it did is also 1/42.

I think that, to put them together, you multiply them. This comes out 1/1764, like you said. Your teacher appears to have simply multiplied by the number of events (2), giving 1/21. That would mean that, as you add more events, the likelihood of any given series of events coming out a certain way increases, which just makes no sense at all.

To see why, imagine flipping a coin. The probability that a certain face will come up is 1/2. If you want the same face to come up again, the chances are (1/2)(1/2) = 1/4. If you were to multiply by the number of events (2), you would get a probability of 1. This would mean that a coin, once flipped, *must* turn up the same face in all subsequent flips. This is clearly not the case, and if your teacher disagrees with you, ask him if he's ever flipped a coin before.

I mean, I could be wrong, of course. Anyone?

El que pega primero pega dos veces.

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## #3 2006-01-18 15:30:36

Ricky
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### Re: 2 Event Probobility

"A printer printed a card with black ink on blue paper and an envelope with blue ink on blue paper."

If it was "or", then it would be 1/21.

Explain it like this:

The chance of event A happening is 1/42, and the change of event B happening is 1/42.  Are you telling me that the chances of both of them happening is greater than the chance of just a single one?  Doesn't that sound wrong?

"In the real world, this would be a problem.  But in mathematics, we can just define a place where this problem doesn't exist.  So we'll go ahead and do that now..."

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## #4 2006-01-18 18:03:23

kempos
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### Re: 2 Event Probobility

you choose black ink for the card: 1/7;
you choose blue paper for the card: 1/6;
blue ink for the envelope: 1/7;
blue paper for the envelope: 1/7;

we have to multiply probabilities (black ink and blue paper and blue ink and blue paper) - we substitute and with multiplication: