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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: Harlan's World
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Hi

Can anyone help me with the following limit:

I know that it should be equal to 1/2 and the the Stolz theorem is supposed to be used, but I cannot get the final result...

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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**In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.****If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.** **A number by itself is useful, but it is far more useful to know how accurate or certain that number is.**

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: Harlan's World
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No. I already looked at that page. It just gets the limit to the indeterminate from 0*infinity...

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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We need to use the binomial theorem here now.

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: Harlan's World
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Do you see the n/(p+1) part? It makes it not possible to use Stolz like that.

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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We are not allowed to split that limit?

Probably not, the two pieces are both equal to infinity.

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: Harlan's World
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That is right.

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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I am trying to put it into the required form but the algebra is hideous.

The above limit equals 1 / 2 . But the limit is very difficult to handle.

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: Harlan's World
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I already got that much. That limit there is the problem...

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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You got that far! How the heck did you get there?

Maybe we can use Stolz again?

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: Harlan's World
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It wasn't hard.

I don't think ot would get much prettier...

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Why do you think this is a job for Stoltz then?

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**scientia****Member**- Registered: 2009-11-13
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bobbym wrote:

The above limit equals 1 / 2 . But the limit is very difficult to handle.

Consider the numerator (ignoring the minus sign outside the fraction). Notice that the terms in and vanish so the highest power of is . Its coefficient is . Now look at the denominator. The highest power of is also and its coefficient is . Hence the limit as is

using the following rule:

If

and

and then*Last edited by scientia (2013-01-06 21:52:47)*

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: Harlan's World
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Wow! That is amazing! Thank you!

*Last edited by anonimnystefy (2013-01-06 13:17:45)*

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**scientia****Member**- Registered: 2009-11-13
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You're welcome.

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