Discussion about math, puzzles, games and fun.   Useful symbols: ÷ × ½ √ ∞ ≠ ≤ ≥ ≈ ⇒ ± ∈ Δ θ ∴ ∑ ∫  π  -¹ ² ³ °

You are not logged in.

## #1 2012-12-19 05:31:42

cooljackiec
Member
Registered: 2012-12-13
Posts: 185

### binomial

how can we prove 2n choose n  is always even?

I see you have graph paper.
You must be plotting something

Offline

## #2 2012-12-19 05:39:09

bob bundy
Administrator
Registered: 2010-06-20
Posts: 8,053

### Re: binomial

hi cooljackiec

Welcome to the forum.

I'm not at all clear what you are asking.  Please would you say a bit more about this problem.

Bob

Children are not defined by school ...........The Fonz
You cannot teach a man anything;  you can only help him find it within himself..........Galileo Galilei

Offline

## #3 2012-12-19 08:05:52

bobbym
bumpkin
From: Bumpkinland
Registered: 2009-04-12
Posts: 109,606

### Re: binomial

Hi;

I like this proof best:

In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.

Offline

## #4 2012-12-19 10:48:08

cooljackiec
Member
Registered: 2012-12-13
Posts: 185

### Re: binomial

so because i have a 2 * 2n-1 choose n, it is bound to be even?

I see you have graph paper.
You must be plotting something

Offline

## #5 2012-12-19 10:56:30

bobbym
bumpkin
From: Bumpkinland
Registered: 2009-04-12
Posts: 109,606

### Re: binomial

Hi;

Yes, any integer that is multipled by 2 is even.

In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.

Offline

## #6 2012-12-20 06:05:25

cooljackiec
Member
Registered: 2012-12-13
Posts: 185

### Re: binomial

Another problem:
Consider the polynomial

What are the coefficients of \$ f(t-1) \$? Enter your answer as an ordered list of four numbers. For example, if your answer were \$ f(t-1) = t^3+3t^2-2t+7 \$, you'd enter (1,3,-2,7). (This is not the actual answer.)

I see you have graph paper.
You must be plotting something

Offline

## #7 2012-12-20 06:26:55

bobbym
bumpkin
From: Bumpkinland
Registered: 2009-04-12
Posts: 109,606

### Re: binomial

Hi;

I am getting (1, 3, 3, 1).

In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.

Offline

## #8 2012-12-20 15:33:22

cooljackiec
Member
Registered: 2012-12-13
Posts: 185

### Re: binomial

thank you. I have another question:
We have 8 pieces of strawberry candy and 7 pieces of pineapple candy. In how many ways can we distribute this candy to 4 kids?

and:
In how many ways can we distribute 13 pieces of identical candy to 5 kids, if the two youngest kids are twins and insist on receiving an equal number of pieces?

and:

4 students are running for club president in a club with 50 members. How many different vote counts are possible, if members may choose not to vote?

I see you have graph paper.
You must be plotting something

Offline

## #9 2012-12-20 16:11:44

noelevans
Member
Registered: 2012-07-20
Posts: 236

### Re: binomial

I'm getting the same as bobbym.  It sometimes helps to write the original function in terms of
a different variable than the one you are substituting in its place.  For example

f(x) = x^3+6x^2+12x+8 = x^3 + 2*3x^2 + 4*3x + 8 = (x+2)^3

f(x) = (x+2)^3 so f(t-1) = ((t-1)+2)^3 = (t+1)^3 = t^3+3t^2+3t+1 = (1, 3, 3, 1) by replacing
x by t-1 in the f(x) = (x+2)^3.

And as another example find the quadruple for f(t-2).

f(x) = (x+2)^3 so f(t-2) = ((t-2)+2)^3 = t^3 = (3, 0, 0, 0).

These can also be looked at as a composition of functions: f(x)=(x+2)^3 and g(x)=x-1.

(fog)(x) = f(g(x)) = f(x-1) = ( (x-1)+2)^3 = (x+1)^3

Writing "pretty" math (two dimensional) is easier to read and grasp than LaTex (one dimensional).
LaTex is like painting on many strips of paper and then stacking them to see what picture they make.

Offline

## #10 2012-12-20 20:39:17

bobbym
bumpkin
From: Bumpkinland
Registered: 2009-04-12
Posts: 109,606

### Re: binomial

Hi cooljackiec;

4 students are running for club president in a club with 50 members. How many different vote counts are possible, if members may choose not to vote?

I am getting 316251.

In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.

Offline

## #11 2012-12-20 21:07:44

anonimnystefy
Real Member
From: Harlan's World
Registered: 2011-05-23
Posts: 16,037

### Re: binomial

On the other hand, I am getting 5^50.

Here lies the reader who will never open this book. He is forever dead.
Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most. ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment
The knowledge of some things as a function of age is a delta function.

Offline

## #12 2012-12-20 21:39:53

bobbym
bumpkin
From: Bumpkinland
Registered: 2009-04-12
Posts: 109,606

### Re: binomial

5^50 = 88817841970012523233890533447265625

I bet you did not do a simulation.

In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.

Offline

## #13 2012-12-20 21:42:05

anonimnystefy
Real Member
From: Harlan's World
Registered: 2011-05-23
Posts: 16,037

### Re: binomial

Each member has 5 chiloices. There are 50 members, or 46 if you exclude the ones who are running for president. 5 votes per person, 46 persons, 5^46 possible vote counts...

Here lies the reader who will never open this book. He is forever dead.
Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most. ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment
The knowledge of some things as a function of age is a delta function.

Offline

## #14 2012-12-20 21:47:03

bobbym
bumpkin
From: Bumpkinland
Registered: 2009-04-12
Posts: 109,606

### Re: binomial

Hi;

Not exactly, If one guy gets 20 votes there are only 30 to spread to the others.

Remember you are only voting for one position not 4.

Take 50 x's and place 3 spacers in various positions.

In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.

Offline

## #15 2012-12-20 22:02:36

anonimnystefy
Real Member
From: Harlan's World
Registered: 2011-05-23
Posts: 16,037

### Re: binomial

Actually, you must have 4 spacers...

Your answer is correct.

Here lies the reader who will never open this book. He is forever dead.
Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most. ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment
The knowledge of some things as a function of age is a delta function.

Offline

## #16 2012-12-20 22:04:25

bobbym
bumpkin
From: Bumpkinland
Registered: 2009-04-12
Posts: 109,606

### Re: binomial

3 spacers, because you are looking for solutions to

the three spacers make 4 separte groups. Each group is how many is in a variable.

xxxxxxxxxxxxx _ xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx _ xxxxxxxxxx  _ xxxxxxxxxx

this corresponds to the solution 13 + 17 + 10 + 10 = 50

In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.

Offline

## #17 2012-12-20 22:38:00

anonimnystefy
Real Member
From: Harlan's World
Registered: 2011-05-23
Posts: 16,037

### Re: binomial

There are 5 groups, votes for 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th candidate and the non-voters...

Here lies the reader who will never open this book. He is forever dead.
Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most. ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment
The knowledge of some things as a function of age is a delta function.

Offline

## #18 2012-12-20 22:42:48

bobbym
bumpkin
From: Bumpkinland
Registered: 2009-04-12
Posts: 109,606

### Re: binomial

The non voters are not a candidate. They are represented by different values of r. For instance when there is one non voter the equation is

In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.

Offline

## #19 2012-12-20 22:46:37

anonimnystefy
Real Member
From: Harlan's World
Registered: 2011-05-23
Posts: 16,037

### Re: binomial

It is easier to look at them as a special category of voters:

where n are the non-voters. There are then

.

Here lies the reader who will never open this book. He is forever dead.
Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most. ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment
The knowledge of some things as a function of age is a delta function.

Offline

## #20 2012-12-20 22:53:59

bobbym
bumpkin
From: Bumpkinland
Registered: 2009-04-12
Posts: 109,606

### Re: binomial

Hi;

That is very good, I did not see that. That would get the same answer and there is less calculation.

In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.

Offline

## #21 2012-12-21 06:25:31

anonimnystefy
Real Member
From: Harlan's World
Registered: 2011-05-23
Posts: 16,037

### Re: binomial

Exactly!

Here lies the reader who will never open this book. He is forever dead.
Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most. ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment
The knowledge of some things as a function of age is a delta function.

Offline

## #22 2012-12-21 06:30:30

bobbym
bumpkin
From: Bumpkinland
Registered: 2009-04-12
Posts: 109,606

### Re: binomial

Exactly?

There will be times when you will think you or I have found the perfect answer, I assure you these are delusions on your part. - Prof. Kingsfield

In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.

Offline

## #23 2012-12-21 06:43:26

anonimnystefy
Real Member
From: Harlan's World
Registered: 2011-05-23
Posts: 16,037

### Re: binomial

I never said it was perfect... I only agreed that it is much easier to calculate...

Here lies the reader who will never open this book. He is forever dead.
Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most. ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment
The knowledge of some things as a function of age is a delta function.

Offline

## #24 2012-12-21 06:46:06

bobbym
bumpkin
From: Bumpkinland
Registered: 2009-04-12
Posts: 109,606

### Re: binomial

True, but there could be an even easier way...

In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.

Offline

## #25 2012-12-22 06:17:17

cooljackiec
Member
Registered: 2012-12-13
Posts: 185

### Re: binomial

it is wrong.

I think that it would be 4^50.

Every member has 4 choices. 50 members. But im not sure...

I see you have graph paper.
You must be plotting something

Offline

## Board footer

Powered by FluxBB