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Re: New mathematic on englishSo a simple question which will check the theory in practice: I to you now will say one secret. When you postpone argument on the OX axes and for example function on the OY axis and you build the function schedule, you receive function . In Solid geometry you would receive a cube . But you build on the Planimetrics therefore you receive a rectangle . And schedule points  tops of this rectangle with a variable area and variables respectively the parties and the areas of sides. Here almost SA beginning. Each element of the area (Planimetrics) has analog in volume (Solid geometry) For example: abscissa axis  the cube party ; ordinate axis  the area of a side of a cube ; the area  pyramid volume; and etc. "The conditions imposed on functions, become a source of difficulties which will manage to be avoided only by means of new researches about the principles of integral calculus" Thomas Ioannes Stiltes. ... I made it! #152 20121210 20:26:18
Re: New mathematic on englishLink inserted as requested. In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them. I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it. All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof. #153 20121211 03:14:46
Re: New mathematic on englishHi, bob bundy! I approve that this result  a mistake. For what you write me that that me doesn't interest? If you want to prove that it so:  is a formula of a full derivative of volume of a cone on height.  prove! "The conditions imposed on functions, become a source of difficulties which will manage to be avoided only by means of new researches about the principles of integral calculus" Thomas Ioannes Stiltes. ... I made it! #154 20121211 05:30:18
Re: New mathematic on englishI will try to explain once again to you in what an error of the theory of Calculus which leads to a mistake in practice in language of mathematicians understanding integral and differential calculus. If you and now don't understand, excuse but I should draw pictures and to explain as school students who only start studying of these sections of mathematics. Here endurance from my first post:
The initial formula is given in Wiki in the form of function from two independent variables. On a decision course this formula replaced with a formula in the form of function from one variable. The answer wrote down again in the form of function of two variables. This forgery is caused by imperfection of Calculus! I gave Structural Analysis's rules which eliminate this practical's error in Calculus theory!
P.S. Last edited by 21122012 (20121211 09:22:48) "The conditions imposed on functions, become a source of difficulties which will manage to be avoided only by means of new researches about the principles of integral calculus" Thomas Ioannes Stiltes. ... I made it! #155 20121211 05:49:11
Re: New mathematic on englishI have no right at this forum to publish links. ... "The conditions imposed on functions, become a source of difficulties which will manage to be avoided only by means of new researches about the principles of integral calculus" Thomas Ioannes Stiltes. ... I made it! #156 20121211 06:38:13
Re: New mathematic on englishNot! "The conditions imposed on functions, become a source of difficulties which will manage to be avoided only by means of new researches about the principles of integral calculus" Thomas Ioannes Stiltes. ... I made it! #157 20121211 07:07:06
Re: New mathematic on englishI don't understand: I at a forum where mathematics or who communicates? "The conditions imposed on functions, become a source of difficulties which will manage to be avoided only by means of new researches about the principles of integral calculus" Thomas Ioannes Stiltes. ... I made it! #158 20121211 07:08:38
Re: New mathematic on englishSee post #174  true;  true;  not true. Last edited by 21122012 (20121211 09:20:22) "The conditions imposed on functions, become a source of difficulties which will manage to be avoided only by means of new researches about the principles of integral calculus" Thomas Ioannes Stiltes. ... I made it! #159 20121211 07:30:55
Re: New mathematic on englishHi, bobbym! "The conditions imposed on functions, become a source of difficulties which will manage to be avoided only by means of new researches about the principles of integral calculus" Thomas Ioannes Stiltes. ... I made it! #160 20121211 07:49:08
Re: New mathematic on englishHi; In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them. I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it. All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof. #161 20121211 09:19:35
Re: New mathematic on englishYou are right for your understanding. I nervous from your questions. Though it can be formal any letter which designates volume. May be G, M... Last edited by 21122012 (20121211 09:28:58) "The conditions imposed on functions, become a source of difficulties which will manage to be avoided only by means of new researches about the principles of integral calculus" Thomas Ioannes Stiltes. ... I made it! #162 20121211 09:27:20
Re: New mathematic on englishbob bundy, It everything that to you is unclear? The rest is clear? ! "The conditions imposed on functions, become a source of difficulties which will manage to be avoided only by means of new researches about the principles of integral calculus" Thomas Ioannes Stiltes. ... I made it! #163 20121211 11:14:49
Re: New mathematic on englishAll is still worse than I thought... 2. Look post #181:  true; At you:  true, This same at . but this function: 3. If you made two variables dependent that their values won't be able to be independent any more Last edited by 21122012 (20121211 16:44:50) "The conditions imposed on functions, become a source of difficulties which will manage to be avoided only by means of new researches about the principles of integral calculus" Thomas Ioannes Stiltes. ... I made it! #164 20121211 11:26:51
Re: New mathematic on englishI offer you here that. Why to us cone? Give more simply. Let's consider the rectangle area, as function of two independent variables: Look D.1 D.2 in post #81. and look this: h ttp://vladimir938.etoya.com/files/2012/12/yx.jpg In WIKI it is claimed that: If Do you agree? Last edited by 21122012 (20121211 11:53:02) "The conditions imposed on functions, become a source of difficulties which will manage to be avoided only by means of new researches about the principles of integral calculus" Thomas Ioannes Stiltes. ... I made it! #165 20121211 12:31:34
Re: New mathematic on englishYour mistake and error of Calculus here: Last edited by 21122012 (20121211 13:00:24) "The conditions imposed on functions, become a source of difficulties which will manage to be avoided only by means of new researches about the principles of integral calculus" Thomas Ioannes Stiltes. ... I made it! #166 20121211 21:49:12
Re: New mathematic on englishHi 21122012; In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them. I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it. All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof. #167 20121212 11:55:13
Re: New mathematic on englishWhat Structural Analysis what can't Calculus? SA can describe formulas geometrical constructions and figures. It doesn't give the chance to describe geometrical objects. In SA instead of it two formulas are applied: which allow to make it. Last edited by 21122012 (20121212 11:59:02) "The conditions imposed on functions, become a source of difficulties which will manage to be avoided only by means of new researches about the principles of integral calculus" Thomas Ioannes Stiltes. ... I made it! #168 20121212 12:21:24
Re: New mathematic on englishNo more threads like
it is rude to mention someone like that. You will stop immediately. In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them. I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it. All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof. #169 20121212 16:18:40
Re: New mathematic on englishStrange nobody disproved any my argument but nobody said yes I agrees with it, with it I don't know agrees or not because I don't understand. It is strange why there is no identity everyone looks that will tell another. "The conditions imposed on functions, become a source of difficulties which will manage to be avoided only by means of new researches about the principles of integral calculus" Thomas Ioannes Stiltes. ... I made it! #170 20121213 18:01:18
Re: New mathematic on englishHi bobbym! "The conditions imposed on functions, become a source of difficulties which will manage to be avoided only by means of new researches about the principles of integral calculus" Thomas Ioannes Stiltes. ... I made it! #171 20121213 20:03:07
Re: New mathematic on englishHi 21122012 The limit operator is just an excuse for doing something you know you can't. “It's the subject that nobody knows anything about that we can all talk about!” ― Richard Feynman “Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment #172 20121214 05:03:50
Re: New mathematic on english
Probably, I very inattentive also didn't notice mistakes which you showed me. I specially began a new subject that bob bundby showed me my mistake and I saw it. But a subject for some reason removed. I didn't understand where I was mistaken when claimed that it is cylinder instead of cone volume: I don't see in it a mistake. Show you to me it, please. "The conditions imposed on functions, become a source of difficulties which will manage to be avoided only by means of new researches about the principles of integral calculus" Thomas Ioannes Stiltes. ... I made it! #173 20121214 05:13:32
Re: New mathematic on englishFinally to be convinced that in your understanding the cone differs from the cylinder, give me please a similar formula for the cylinder volume that I saw a difference: "The conditions imposed on functions, become a source of difficulties which will manage to be avoided only by means of new researches about the principles of integral calculus" Thomas Ioannes Stiltes. ... I made it! #174 20121214 06:48:59
Re: New mathematic on englishWe consider integral calculus. Your formula: is given in an algebraic look. Don't confuse one to another. I showed (#174) formulas:  (1);  (2);  (3); In WIKIPEDIA case is considered. If the entry condition: and a final formula: that it means (2) case. Introduction during calculation of a condition: contradicts an entry condition: Under an entry condition: this expression: doesn't make sense as contradicts a statement of the problem: The formula: is:  (3); If Calculus used any rules and a formula: considers as a formula of volume of a cone, means in these rules there is a mistake. It is necessary to find it and to eliminate. What in my reasonings it is incorrect? Last edited by 21122012 (20121214 06:52:44) "The conditions imposed on functions, become a source of difficulties which will manage to be avoided only by means of new researches about the principles of integral calculus" Thomas Ioannes Stiltes. ... I made it! #175 20121214 06:59:39
Re: New mathematic on englishI to you will give such analogy. The entry condition is given: ABC triangle. Then you begin some manipulations and you speak: Let A, B, C lie on one line. But you can't lay down such condition because it contradicts a statement of the problem: ABC  a triangle and A,B,C  CAN not LIE ON ONE LINE! ! ! "The conditions imposed on functions, become a source of difficulties which will manage to be avoided only by means of new researches about the principles of integral calculus" Thomas Ioannes Stiltes. ... I made it! 