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## #1 2012-12-05 08:29:25

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### Solve the logorithmic equation

Solve the logorithmic equation

log(8) x + log(8)   (x-63) = 2

The correct answer is listed as 64.

I'm trying to learn and understand the correct way of coming down to that answer with out using a calculator. Thanks.

## #2 2012-12-05 09:32:01

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### Re: Solve the logorithmic equation

Have you tried raising 8 to the power of lhs and rhs?

Just in case you don't kmow:
LHS means "left hand side"
RHS means "right hand side"

Better safe than sorry

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## #3 2012-12-05 12:24:13

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### Re: Solve the logorithmic equation

Hi;

The correct answer is listed as 64.

I am not getting that. Is this the correct equation?

In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

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It should be

## #5 2012-12-05 13:38:49

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### Re: Solve the logorithmic equation

Hi;

Thanks scientia!

As the man said, "Notation, notation, notation!"

"Our ships must all sail in the same direction."-Don Lucchesi

raise up everything to the power of 8.

Plug back in to the original equation to see that 64 is a root.

In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

## #6 2012-12-05 14:35:13

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### Re: Solve the logorithmic equation

Hi!

Or using the laws of logarithms the LHS = log [x(x-63)] so  log [x^2-63x] = 2.
8                       8
Converting to exponential notation (or making both sides exponents for 8) we have
2
8   =  x^2 - 63x  so that  x^2 - 63x - 64 = 0.  And upon factoring the LHS:  (x-64)(x+1) = 0.
Hence x=64 or x=-1.  We can eliminate the -1 if we don't wish to get into complex numbers.

Converting from log notation to exponential notation and visa versa is simple:

log y = z is equivalent to
x

z
x   = y

If we write the base x for both the log and the exponential on the same side (left here) then
the other two quantities ( y and z here) switch sides.
x
Other examples:  log 32 = x  becomes  2  = 32  (so x=5)
2
x              -2
log (1/9) = x  becomes  3  = 1/9 = 3    hence x=-2.
3

3
5   = 125  becomes  log 125 = 3.
5
and so forth.

logarithms ARE EXPONENTS.  It's just a naming device so we can tell what base they are supposed
to go on and to see what the result should be if we put in on that base.

log100
Example:   10           log100 is the exponent we must put on 10 to get 100.
2
Since 10  = 100, log100 = 2.

lnx                                                                                  lnx
e       lnx is the exponent we must put on e to get x.  Hence e     = x.

log N
b
In general  b         = N   so log N is the exponent we must put on b to get N.  (b>0 and b<>1).
b
Have a great day (or night as the case may be)!

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## #7 2012-12-06 04:19:26

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### Re: Solve the logorithmic equation

Thanks, especially bobbym, your process I followed helps a lot.

## #8 2012-12-06 07:18:50

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### Re: Solve the logorithmic equation

Hi;

Actually that thanks should go to anonimnystefy who showed the way and scientia for figuring out what you wanted.

In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

## #9 2012-12-06 07:26:29

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### Re: Solve the logorithmic equation

No, it goes to you guys.

The limit operator is just an excuse for doing something you know you can't.
“It's the subject that nobody knows anything about that we can all talk about!” ― Richard Feynman
“Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment

## #10 2012-12-06 08:16:48

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### Re: Solve the logorithmic equation

Okay, then I will take all the credit everywhere, for everything.

In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

## #11 2012-12-06 08:34:20

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### Re: Solve the logorithmic equation

Everywhere?

The limit operator is just an excuse for doing something you know you can't.
“It's the subject that nobody knows anything about that we can all talk about!” ― Richard Feynman
“Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment

## #12 2012-12-06 08:46:03

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### Re: Solve the logorithmic equation

Yes, writing the Principia Mathematica nearly killed me.

In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

## #13 2012-12-06 10:38:00

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It nearly killed me reading it.

## #14 2012-12-06 11:40:55

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Hi;

For that I apologize.

In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

## #15 2012-12-06 20:56:07

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### Re: Solve the logorithmic equation

So, you are the genius behind Russell?

The limit operator is just an excuse for doing something you know you can't.
“It's the subject that nobody knows anything about that we can all talk about!” ― Richard Feynman
“Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment

## #16 2012-12-06 21:00:24

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### Re: Solve the logorithmic equation

No, I am doing as you instructed.

In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

## #17 2012-12-06 21:04:26

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### Re: Solve the logorithmic equation

And what is it that I instructed?

The limit operator is just an excuse for doing something you know you can't.
“It's the subject that nobody knows anything about that we can all talk about!” ― Richard Feynman
“Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment

## #18 2012-12-06 21:07:13

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To take credit for everything, everywhere. Did you know I invented aluminum foil?

In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

## #19 2012-12-06 21:09:11

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### Re: Solve the logorithmic equation

And did you know I never said that?

The limit operator is just an excuse for doing something you know you can't.
“It's the subject that nobody knows anything about that we can all talk about!” ― Richard Feynman
“Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment

## #20 2012-12-06 21:10:37

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But you certainly tempted me to do it. Did you realize I am the discoverer of Pluto?

In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

## #21 2012-12-07 20:56:49

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### Re: Solve the logorithmic equation

You do realize that I gave you credit just for this problem?

The limit operator is just an excuse for doing something you know you can't.
“It's the subject that nobody knows anything about that we can all talk about!” ― Richard Feynman
“Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment

## #22 2012-12-07 21:05:37

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Then I did not really discover Pluto or write the Principia Mathematica? Perhaps you will now say that I did not invent aluminum foil?

In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

## #23 2012-12-07 21:14:32

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### Re: Solve the logorithmic equation

Yup!

The limit operator is just an excuse for doing something you know you can't.
“It's the subject that nobody knows anything about that we can all talk about!” ― Richard Feynman
“Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment

## #24 2012-12-07 21:23:44

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Okay, but I did invent the method I used on Agnishom's problem...

In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

## #25 2012-12-07 21:25:35

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### Re: Solve the logorithmic equation

Which problem is that?

The limit operator is just an excuse for doing something you know you can't.
“It's the subject that nobody knows anything about that we can all talk about!” ― Richard Feynman
“Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment