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#1 2012-11-18 14:20:45

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Scientists, our benefactors?

Hi;

This is the second such statement by a bunch of scientists. The first was by the "Life science," ( what a misnomer ) guys and now this...

http://www.theonion.com/articles/scient … /?ref=auto


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#2 2012-11-18 14:31:03

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Re: Scientists, our benefactors?

A disturbing article. A disturbing article, indeed...

I would gladly be a volunteer. My choice would be a natural and non-induced death.


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#3 2012-11-18 14:33:47

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Re: Scientists, our benefactors?

Don't be ridiculous you should not volunteer. First we should kill all the scientists at that convention. Do  we really need them?


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
Of course that result can be rigorously obtained, but who cares?
Combinatorics is Algebra and Algebra is Combinatorics.

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#4 2012-11-18 14:36:25

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Re: Scientists, our benefactors?

While we're at it, the guys at M$ could go as well.


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#5 2012-11-18 14:38:29

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Re: Scientists, our benefactors?

They are already dead and do not know it.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
Of course that result can be rigorously obtained, but who cares?
Combinatorics is Algebra and Algebra is Combinatorics.

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#6 2012-11-18 14:43:56

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Re: Scientists, our benefactors?

They are dead on the inside and in the minds of the people with common sense, but nit physically, and that is not enough!


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“Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment

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#7 2012-11-18 14:46:14

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Re: Scientists, our benefactors?

You do not think those scientists are going to recommend that they or their friends at M$ be chosen?


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
Of course that result can be rigorously obtained, but who cares?
Combinatorics is Algebra and Algebra is Combinatorics.

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#8 2012-11-18 14:51:10

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Re: Scientists, our benefactors?

Be chosen for what? Execution or life?


“Here lies the reader who will never open this book. He is forever dead.

“Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment

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#9 2012-11-18 14:52:33

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Re: Scientists, our benefactors?

They will undoubtedly choose themselves in the survival class.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
Of course that result can be rigorously obtained, but who cares?
Combinatorics is Algebra and Algebra is Combinatorics.

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#10 2012-11-18 14:59:27

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I agree. Really surprising-the people who suggest humans should be killed don't want themselves killed...


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#11 2012-11-18 15:03:22

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Re: Scientists, our benefactors?

Heard of the NWO?


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
Of course that result can be rigorously obtained, but who cares?
Combinatorics is Algebra and Algebra is Combinatorics.

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#12 2012-11-18 15:06:19

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Re: Scientists, our benefactors?

So-so. Novus ordo seclorum...


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“Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment

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#13 2012-11-18 15:09:02

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Re: Scientists, our benefactors?

An earlier biologist at a seminar here recommended the extermination of 95% of the humans now inhabiting the surface. His cronies who numbered over 1000 in the audience cheered him madly and later said the only thing wrong with his proposal was that the figure 95% was too low!


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
Of course that result can be rigorously obtained, but who cares?
Combinatorics is Algebra and Algebra is Combinatorics.

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#14 2012-11-18 21:17:14

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Re: Scientists, our benefactors?

Reminds me of the film Dr Strangelove.  B and W,  but still worth watching. 

Funnily enough (funny ?) the guys there making the decisions decided they should be the survivers.

As they don't seem to mind what selection method is used maybe it should be a rule that anyone who suggests mass extermination automatically is taken as volunteering to be first against the wall.  Self selection.  Problem solved.  smile

Bob


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#15 2012-11-18 22:53:22

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Ah yes, Dr. Strangelove, that zany fellow whose limbs had a mind of their own. Who would have thought that his offspring would be working in the scientific community?

2 billion, that was figure one of them quoted for the number of people who do not have adequate food for today, let alone for tomorrow. So I guess the plan is to wrest that last morsel of food that guy may have hidden away and use it to further stuff the face of the already well fed...

Or perhaps his last liter of goat's milk is needed to keep the remaining peoples skin and hair lustrous and bouncy? Take a close look at the picture. While Boris Karloff recommends mass beheadings, why is the creature in the middle so happy?

Scientists say at least 2 billion dead bodies will be burned and converted into fossil fuels.

What if this 2 billion refuses to go gently into that good night? They might take down some of the 4 billion. I guess that would be a small price to pay so that the remainder could burn the vanquished for more fossil fuel and pollution...

Representing multiple fields of study, including ecology, agriculture, biology, and economics,

Glad their are no mathematicians up there! If only St Thomas Aquinas could see that...


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
Of course that result can be rigorously obtained, but who cares?
Combinatorics is Algebra and Algebra is Combinatorics.

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#16 2012-11-21 01:39:48

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Re: Scientists, our benefactors?

Hmm, wow, I was not expecting that.

I am personally rather curious about the facts of this, as this seems to be a rather...opinionated article.  I remember being told before, that as we grow in numbers, we increase our resources to survive on as well (not quite that simply though).  I've always had...arguments about that to say the least, but that shouldn't mean what they are suggesting.  I've realized our world population is... well very large, as I remember learning about.  Such as if you track our population from 0 ad to what it is now, the only time the overall population has ever decreased was from the black plague.  Even wars like WWII did not decrease the world's overall population from growing.  But still, I'd also love to see how they decide to do this, because I'm very sure at least 1/3 of the world's population is just going to kill themselves so the other 2/3s can live on happily (being sarcastic)!  However, it personally worries me too, supposing there is truth to this that is.  Again, I would like to see the facts behind this reason.  Also, the solution they give is ridiculous, surely there are much better ways of handling it.


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But Nature flies from the infinite, for the infinite is unending or imperfect, and Nature ever seeks an end.  -Aristotle

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#17 2012-11-21 01:46:05

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Re: Scientists, our benefactors?

If only the aliens were to lend us some of their spaceships... We could move to another planet with more resources...


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#18 2012-11-21 01:50:50

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Or they could fill them up with about 2 billion people and fly them right into the sun. Woops, that will give the doc ideas!


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
Of course that result can be rigorously obtained, but who cares?
Combinatorics is Algebra and Algebra is Combinatorics.

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#19 2012-11-21 01:59:47

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Re: Scientists, our benefactors?

Why not just send them into an orbit of a black hole?


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#20 2012-11-21 02:01:52

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The sun is a lot closer than the nearest blackhole.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
Of course that result can be rigorously obtained, but who cares?
Combinatorics is Algebra and Algebra is Combinatorics.

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#21 2012-11-21 02:05:17

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But it is less torture to the people...


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“Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment

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#22 2012-11-21 02:11:53

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Re: Scientists, our benefactors?

How is that less torture to the people?  I mean, with the sun, it would be more or less quick depending on how fast we were going into it, but a black hole, I wouldn't even know where to begin with that.  Just to start you'd be stretched further and further the closer you get to the black hole (and you wouldn't even be in the black hole yet), let alone all of other stuff that would is theorized to happen to you.  I don't know, I don't quite agree a black hole would be less torturous...


Life isn’t a simple Math: there are always other variables.  -[unknown]

But Nature flies from the infinite, for the infinite is unending or imperfect, and Nature ever seeks an end.  -Aristotle

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#23 2012-11-21 02:17:40

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Re: Scientists, our benefactors?

Yes, according to spaghettification when the ship got close to the blackhole the people inside would all taste delicious. Especially with tomato sauce...


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
Of course that result can be rigorously obtained, but who cares?
Combinatorics is Algebra and Algebra is Combinatorics.

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#24 2012-11-21 02:42:25

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Re: Scientists, our benefactors?

That ruined my day...

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#25 2012-11-21 02:58:55

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Re: Scientists, our benefactors?

Hmm, I was just thinking, is this related to that 2012 end of the world stuff at all (as in yet ANOTHER way the world will end in 2012)?  On top of that, I think I noticed an error...

The article is apparently dated January 26, 2012, but...

Sources confirmed that if a death solution is not in place by Mar. 31, the U.N., in the interest of preserving the human race, will mobilize its peacekeeping forces and gun down as many people as necessary.

It is past March 31st...and I haven't heard anything about U.N. gunning down anyone in the interest of preserving the human race.  Did they mean march 31'st of 2013?  2014?  5000?  Because unless I'm mistaken, it sounded like they were talking about 2012...  Unless they meant 2025 like when they mention here (though later in the article)...

"I don't care how it happens, but a ton of Africans have to go, because by 2025, there's no way that continent will be able to feed itself," said Dr. Henry Craig of the Population Research Institute.

But that specifically says the Africans, and this article also made it seem like we were in immediate danger.  However, that suggests that it's even later for the rest of the world, doesn't it?  I don't know, I'm more questioning the validity of this article, as in, just how correct their information really is...


Life isn’t a simple Math: there are always other variables.  -[unknown]

But Nature flies from the infinite, for the infinite is unending or imperfect, and Nature ever seeks an end.  -Aristotle

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