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## #126 2012-11-10 04:52:25

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### Re: Expectation

The expected value is 1/probability is it not?

The matrix when computed should be 13.7

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## #127 2012-11-10 05:07:04

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http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?t=cr … 5%2F6))%5D

How is the expected value 1/probability?

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## #128 2012-11-10 05:17:13

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Hi;

You did not enter the problem correctly
Matrix Inverse( IdentityMatrix[6] -  {{0,1,0,0,0,0 }, {0,1/6,5/6,0,0,0} ,{ 0,0,1/3,2/3,0,0} ,{ 0,0,0,1/2,1/2,0} ,{ 0,0,0,0,2/3,1/3} , {0,0,0,0,0,5/6 }}).{{1},{1},{1},{1},{1},{1}} gives the right result.

If the probability is 1 / 6 of something happening then we expect it to happen once in 6 times.

In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

## #129 2012-11-10 05:27:35

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My result is correct. I just didn't sum the first row.

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“Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment

## #130 2012-11-10 05:42:45

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When I entered yours it says the trace is 14.7. The trace is the sum of the diagonal elements. It may or may not be correct.

In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

## #131 2012-11-10 05:47:32

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The trace and the sum of the first row are the same for that matrix.

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“Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment

## #132 2012-11-10 06:09:10

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Yes, but are you sure that will always be the case?

This way spits the answer out in a form that is easy to understand.

In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

## #133 2012-11-10 07:19:59

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No, I sum the first row. WA is the one who thinks you need the trace.

The limit operator is just an excuse for doing something you know you can't.
“It's the subject that nobody knows anything about that we can all talk about!” ― Richard Feynman
“Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment

## #134 2012-11-10 07:30:46

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Hi;

For one thing he did not interpret the identitymatrisx command correctly. For another the inverse was not calculated...

I would do it the way I showed in post#128.

Taking a little break.

In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

## #135 2012-11-10 07:45:29

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That is not the same result I am getting when I press the link.

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“Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment

## #136 2012-11-10 08:19:46

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Supposing others get my result? Isn't my way more reliable, since we are both getting the same answer. Also, my syntax is much closer to the package's syntax.

In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

## #137 2012-11-10 08:59:40

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You just had multiplication by the vector (1,1,1,1,1,1) and I did the multiplication by hand. It is the same method.

The limit operator is just an excuse for doing something you know you can't.
“It's the subject that nobody knows anything about that we can all talk about!” ― Richard Feynman
“Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment

## #138 2012-11-10 09:23:12

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Hi;

I am talking about the syntax of the commands.

In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

## #139 2012-11-11 10:07:21

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New problems?

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“Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment

## #140 2012-11-11 10:51:12

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A deck of cards are dealt out in a circle. What is the expected number of pairs of adjacent cards which are both black?

In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

## #141 2012-11-11 10:57:08

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A standard French deck?

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“Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment

## #142 2012-11-11 11:31:46

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Hi;

It is a regular deck of playing cards.

In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

## #143 2012-11-11 11:39:58

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Okay.

What do you get as the answer for decks of 4 and 6 cards (half of which are black)?

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“Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment

## #144 2012-11-11 11:46:15

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E(4 card deck) = 2 / 3

E(6 card deck) = 6 / 5

In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

## #145 2012-11-11 11:58:07

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And E(8)?

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“Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment

## #146 2012-11-11 12:08:29

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E(8 card deck) = 12 / 7

In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

## #147 2012-11-19 11:29:44

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I haven't been able to find a solution...

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“It's the subject that nobody knows anything about that we can all talk about!” ― Richard Feynman
“Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment

## #148 2012-11-19 11:31:49

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Hi;

Okay, I can give the answer if you want it.

In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

## #149 2012-11-19 11:33:15

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I'd rather get a method than an answer, but either is okay...

The limit operator is just an excuse for doing something you know you can't.
“It's the subject that nobody knows anything about that we can all talk about!” ― Richard Feynman
“Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment

## #150 2012-11-19 11:43:51

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Hi;

I'd rather get a method than an answer,

Hmmmm. You should already have the answer or darn close to one. Have you forgotten how we work?

In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.