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You are not logged in. #1 2012-11-17 11:58:27
Question on squaresI just want to to know how to solve this problem: #2 2012-11-17 12:21:50
Re: Question on squaresHi;
With replacement or without? In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them. Probability is the most important concept in modern science, especially as nobody has the slightest notion what it means. 90% of mathematicians do not understand 90% of currently published mathematics. #4 2012-11-17 12:45:03
Re: Question on squaresHi; In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them. Probability is the most important concept in modern science, especially as nobody has the slightest notion what it means. 90% of mathematicians do not understand 90% of currently published mathematics. #5 2012-11-17 12:50:55
Re: Question on squaresActually, the number of divisors that 2012^2 has is (2+1)^4, the problem is to find the sum of the numerator+denomerator of the probability of the chance that only ONE of the two divisors is a perfect square, the number of divisors that 2012 has is (1+1)^4 and this is also the number of perfect square divisors 2012^2 has, I'm very bad at probability and can't figure what is the probability of only one of the divisors being a perfect square. #6 2012-11-17 12:55:19
Re: Question on squaresHi; In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them. Probability is the most important concept in modern science, especially as nobody has the slightest notion what it means. 90% of mathematicians do not understand 90% of currently published mathematics. #7 2012-11-17 13:13:04
Re: Question on squaresI can't list them all, let's see.....: 1,2,4,16,253009,1012036, 2024072,4048144, these are only the half of the perfect square factors of 2012^2, there are 8 more of them, how to solve the problem goes like this: (2+1)^4 is the number of factors that 2012^2 has and (1+1)^4 is the number of factors that 2012^2 has that are perfect squares, so the probability is [2*2^4*(3^4-2^4)]/[3^4(3^4-1)=26/81 so the answer is 26+81=107, which is m+n, this looks more like a bunch of random numbers placed together and I personally think that knowing the answer with knowing how to do it is useless, so I just need an explanation of this, you are only given 12 minutes to do this, I don't think listing out all the positive divisors of 2012^2 is a efficient idea! #8 2012-11-17 13:15:47
Re: Question on squaresI am not claiming it is an efficient idea but I have to know the sample space before we can get the probability. I am getting only 15 divisors of 2012^2 not 81. That is why I am asking for your list. In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them. Probability is the most important concept in modern science, especially as nobody has the slightest notion what it means. 90% of mathematicians do not understand 90% of currently published mathematics. #9 2012-11-17 13:31:55
Re: Question on squaresIt does look weird that 2012^2 has that many factors, but 2012 has a prime factorization of 2*3*5*67, so 2012^2 has a prime factorization of 2^2*3^2*5^2*67^2 and that leads to the fact that (2+1)^4 is the number of factors that 2012^2 has, though only 16 of them are perfect squares, so the question is simplified to what is the probability of getting only 1 perfect square out of 2 if the probability of getting a square is 16/81. I also doubt that 2012^2 has 81 factors, but that's what the formula calculates, but I think I get the question now, but anyways, sorry to bother you with all these random things I said above, the only reason why I want to have the answer to this problem is because it fascinates me and is a really good probability problem for me. #10 2012-11-17 13:37:51
Re: Question on squaresHi;
You have factored 2012^2 incorrectly. In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them. Probability is the most important concept in modern science, especially as nobody has the slightest notion what it means. 90% of mathematicians do not understand 90% of currently published mathematics. #11 2012-11-17 13:46:07
Re: Question on squaresOH-NO, sorry! I got the whole problem wrong! It's suppose be 2010, not 2012 and 2010^2 has 81 factors, I can't believe that just a difference of 2 can make such a huge difference, now I hope that this problem is much more clear! I actually though that 5 was a factor of 2012! #12 2012-11-17 13:47:22
Re: Question on squaresHi; In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them. Probability is the most important concept in modern science, especially as nobody has the slightest notion what it means. 90% of mathematicians do not understand 90% of currently published mathematics. #14 2012-11-17 13:56:25
Re: Question on squaresI am getting 26 / 81 as the probability one of the numbers is a square. In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them. Probability is the most important concept in modern science, especially as nobody has the slightest notion what it means. 90% of mathematicians do not understand 90% of currently published mathematics. #16 2012-11-17 14:02:58
Re: Question on squaresHi; In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them. Probability is the most important concept in modern science, especially as nobody has the slightest notion what it means. 90% of mathematicians do not understand 90% of currently published mathematics. #18 2012-11-17 14:14:59
Re: Question on squaresHi; In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them. Probability is the most important concept in modern science, especially as nobody has the slightest notion what it means. 90% of mathematicians do not understand 90% of currently published mathematics. |