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#101 2012-11-15 10:32:57

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Re: Area of Squares

oooh 10 by 10 so 100


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#102 2012-11-15 10:38:36

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Re: Area of Squares

Got it.  But let's improve the accuracy.

See enlarged diagram.  It's not quite the whole of a square so take a bit off 100.

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#103 2012-11-15 10:43:20

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Re: Area of Squares

95


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#104 2012-11-15 10:46:44

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OK.  I'll accept that.

Now to put everything together.  You will need to substitute a value for PI in your earlier answers.

Then you can do yellow + red + green less 95 = ???

Put down all the figures so I can check each bit of the calculation.

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#105 2012-11-15 10:54:11

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Re: Area of Squares

OK just before I do that So  225PI -  95 = 611.858347058


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#106 2012-11-15 11:15:52

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Yes, that calculation is correct.  But where did 225 come from.

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#107 2012-11-15 11:22:31

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Re: Area of Squares

the 1/4  the green part area


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#108 2012-11-15 11:28:01

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But the radius is not 15.

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#109 2012-11-15 11:45:11

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Re: Area of Squares

the radius is 30 right ?


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#110 2012-11-15 11:49:22

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Re: Area of Squares

Correct.

Now you have all the figures individually so it's time to put them together.  The goat is getting hungry.

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#111 2012-11-15 22:59:24

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Re: Area of Squares

3/4 + 50²+30²+30² * Pi = 5520.575041

Or?

1875pi + 225 Pi + 2401 Pi =  4501 Pi =14140.3085338

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#112 2012-11-15 23:59:08

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hi zee-f

Oh dear.  A bit of a muddle.  You had the correct yellow area back in post 81.

Also remember in post 79 you had a good estimate of the answer by counting squares.  I said then, I thought it was a bit high.  So you should not be satisfied untill you land up with an answer that is somewhere between these two.

Let me set out for you what you should be calculating.

step 1.  area of yellow quadrants = 3/4 x 50^2 x PI   =

step 2.  area of red quadrant       = 1/4 x 30^2 x PI   =

step 3.  area of green quadrant    = same answer       =

step 4   estimated area (overlap)                               = 95

step 5. add up 1, 2 and 3 and take away 4          total =

Please set it out like this then, if there is still a gremlin lurking in there, I can see where it is.  smile

Bob

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#113 2012-11-16 01:22:03

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Re: Area of Squares

3/4 x 50^2 x π   + 1/4 x 30^2 x π +  1/4 x 30^2 x π =

1875π + 225π + 225π= 2325π

2325PI - 95 = 7209.20292

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#114 2012-11-16 01:25:03

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YES!!  smile

That's what I've got too.

Well done.

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#115 2012-11-16 01:26:34

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ps.

as you have a whole number estimate in the calculation it would be sensible to round off the answer to, say, the nearest hundred.

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#116 2012-11-16 01:26:38

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Re: Area of Squares

Thanks


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#117 2012-11-16 01:40:39

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Re: Area of Squares

7210.2030

9. The areas you found in 7 and 8 overlap each other. How much do they overlap? What *approximate* shape do they make? What is that area?

about 250 Looks like 3 triangles uniting together  the area is

3/4 x 50^2 x π   + 1/4 x 30^2 x π +  1/4 x 30^2 x π =

1875π + 225π + 225π= 2325π

2325PI - 250= 7054.20292


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#118 2012-11-16 01:47:03

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10. What is the total grazing area the goat can reach?

3/4 +1/4= 4/4

50^2 + 30^2 = 80^2

4/4 * 80 ^2 * PI = 6400 PI


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#119 2012-11-16 01:57:46

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I thought we had already reached Q10.  That's what you've been working towards.

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#120 2012-11-16 02:07:45

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6. How much of the 50 foot circle can the goat reach without getting interrupted by the barn? What is that area?

6. 3/4 * 50^2 * PI= 1875 PI

7. When the rope goes around the barn, what is the new radius? How much of a circle can it make without hitting the barn or overlapping area you've already found? What is that area?

7- 30 is the new radius. It can make 1/4. The area is 1/4 * 30² * PI = 225 PI

8. When the rope goes around the barn the other way, what is the new radius? How much of a circle can it make without hitting the barn or overlapping area you've already found? What is that area?

8. the radius is 30. It can make 1/4 the area is 1/4 * 30² * PI = 225 PI

9. The areas you found in 7 and 8 overlap each other. How much do they overlap? What *approximate* shape do they make? What is that area?
9. 95. They look like 3 triangles uniting. the area is

(3/4 * 50^2 * PI= 1875 PI + 1/4 * 30² * PI = 225 PI + 1/4 * 30² * PI = 225 PI) - 95
2325PI - 95 = 7209.2020292


10. What is the total grazing area the goat can reach?


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#121 2012-11-16 02:12:57

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Re: Area of Squares

oooh yeah they overlap about 250 So the answer I put for #9 is number 10 right?


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#122 2012-11-16 02:25:38

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Re: Area of Squares

Yes that looks good to me.

Your answer for Q9 is a little less than one full square, which you estimate as 95.

Then the long calculation is for Q10.

The question for Q8 doesn't actually make sense so to cover all possible angles on this I would answer it a bit like this:

8. When the rope goes around the barn the other way, what is the new radius?
How much of a circle can it make without hitting the barn or overlapping area you've already found? What is that area?

Initially the radius is 50 again; then dropping to 30 and finally to 10.  The answers are exactly the same as when the goat went round the first way.

The 3/4 part (radius = 50)  is the same as before and so the non-overlapping bit for this is zero.

The 1/4 part (radius = 30) is the same but it does overlap a little with the answer already obtained.

If what I've said makes sense to you, I would prefer that you put it into your own words rather than just copy me. That way you can hold your head up and say you did this rather than being accused of just copying.

I think that is the end of the whole thing.  Hurrah!!

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#123 2012-11-16 02:35:40

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Re: Area of Squares

Am ok with my answer for #8 but am confused between #9 # 10 now So

#10-
(3/4 * 50^2 * PI= 1875 PI + 1/4 * 30² * PI = 225 PI + 1/4 * 30² * PI = 225 PI) - 95
2325PI - 95 = 7209.2020292

#9- 9. The areas you found in 7 and 8 overlap each other. How much do they overlap? What *approximate* shape do they make? What is that area?
They overlap 95 but what's the area here?


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#124 2012-11-16 03:03:31

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Q 9. The approximate shape is a square.  As it's not quite a whole square,  you estimated it's area at about 95 square feet.

Q10.  Is spot on.  But round it off.  (i) because part of the calculation is an estimate so 7 decimal places is way over the top and (ii) the calculation is  to say what area of grass the goat can reach.  So how accurate do you need to be anyway?  The actual amount the goat gets will depend on other factors like the quality of the grass (it may be better in one place than another) and how far the goat is prepared to stretch to reach that deliciously succulent bit etc etc.  7 decimal places would amount to tiny fractions of a single blade of grass.

I'm going to log out for a while.  I'll check in again later on.

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#125 2012-11-16 08:40:17

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Re: Area of Squares

I completed the lesson got a ten thank you sooooo much big_smile


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