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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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What!!!!! Then you can never understand why I vote!

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**I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.**

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: The Foundation
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Okay.

Got a new problem?

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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My, we are in a talkative mood today.

**What is the expected number of throws of a single die before a (1,1) comes up?**

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**I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.**

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: The Foundation
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42?

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi;

Two ways to justify that?

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: The Foundation
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Yup! A formula just like yours for the last problem and a Markov chain.

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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I am putting my turban on my head. I am saying the magic words. Sorry, it is not working, I can not see your solution.

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: The Foundation
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Don't you believe me?

Markov chain:

((5/6,1/6,0);(5/6,0,1/6);(0,0,1))

A formula:

E=5/6 * (E+1) + 1/6 * 5/6 * (E+2) + 1/6 * 1/6 * 2

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Very good! The young learn quickly.

Want more?

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: The Foundation
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Of course! I have a feeling the next problem will be devilish...

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Oh yes! Hellish.

**Cards from a well shuffled deck are dealt to you one at a time. What is the expected number of cards till you hold 10 hearts?**

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: The Foundation
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It seems like it is just meant to confuse me, because I am getting 52 (assuming the standard number of cards in the deck)...

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Yes, it is designed to confuse you and it has. Can you not get 10 hearts in under 52 cards?

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: The Foundation
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You almost got me fooled there. I think the answer is 53/2.

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi;

That is not correct.

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: The Foundation
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Oh, wait! I tought it said 10 of hearts. Let me try again.

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: The Foundation
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New answer: 265/7?

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hmmmm... Your method was?

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: The Foundation
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Found it from the definition of expectation:

Sum[i*Binomial[13,10]*10*Binomial[39,i-10]*(i-1)!*(52-i)!/52!,i,10,52]

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi;

That is very good, I did not know that one. And another way is?

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: The Foundation
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I have no idea.

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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The negative hypergeometric distribution is another way.

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: The Foundation
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I have not even a slightest idea what that is.

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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The discrete distributions borrowed from statistics are of great help.

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: The Foundation
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I still have no idea what that is.

Do you have a new problem?

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