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Re: ExpectationHi; In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them. I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it. All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof. #27 20121106 02:11:45
Re: ExpectationWhat is that way? The limit operator is just an excuse for doing something you know you can't. “It's the subject that nobody knows anything about that we can all talk about!” ― Richard Feynman “Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment #28 20121106 02:23:48
Re: ExpectationWithout the labels: This is in the correct form which will be explained as we do larger problems. Anyway, you now throw away all rows that have a 1 and any rows below that. Then you throw away any columns with a 1 and all columns to the right of that one. You get: As problems get bigger this method will look better and better. In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them. I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it. All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof. #29 20121106 02:34:01
Re: ExpectationWell, let's try it on another problem. Got any? The limit operator is just an excuse for doing something you know you can't. “It's the subject that nobody knows anything about that we can all talk about!” ― Richard Feynman “Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment #30 20121106 02:39:56
Re: ExpectationHi; In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them. I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it. All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof. #31 20121106 02:45:09
Re: ExpectationTt Th Ht Hh The limit operator is just an excuse for doing something you know you can't. “It's the subject that nobody knows anything about that we can all talk about!” ― Richard Feynman “Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment #32 20121106 03:04:04
Re: ExpectationHi; In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them. I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it. All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof. #33 20121106 03:22:12
Re: ExpectationIs the answer 16? The limit operator is just an excuse for doing something you know you can't. “It's the subject that nobody knows anything about that we can all talk about!” ― Richard Feynman “Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment #34 20121106 03:24:16
Re: ExpectationHi; In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them. I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it. All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof. #35 20121106 03:36:26
Re: ExpectationMaybe 4? The limit operator is just an excuse for doing something you know you can't. “It's the subject that nobody knows anything about that we can all talk about!” ― Richard Feynman “Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment #36 20121106 08:15:43
Re: ExpectationHi; After the rows and columns are eliminated. The answer is 6. In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them. I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it. All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof. #37 20121106 09:06:33
Re: ExpectationI got all that but wasn't sure what to do with the resulting column vector... The limit operator is just an excuse for doing something you know you can't. “It's the subject that nobody knows anything about that we can all talk about!” ― Richard Feynman “Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment #38 20121106 09:22:28
Re: ExpectationHmmm, I have trouble with reading the answer too. Know what helps? In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them. I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it. All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof. #39 20121106 11:03:21
Re: ExpectationWhat? The limit operator is just an excuse for doing something you know you can't. “It's the subject that nobody knows anything about that we can all talk about!” ― Richard Feynman “Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment #40 20121106 11:06:28
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Experimental math! Back engineering! I almost always have the answer first, or the bounds the answer lies in. That is the secret of the riddle of steel. You are trying to solve them forward to back. I will be busy today and away from the forum. We will continue with more problems when I get back if you want. In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them. I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it. All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof. #41 20121107 02:45:50
Re: ExpectationHi bobbym The limit operator is just an excuse for doing something you know you can't. “It's the subject that nobody knows anything about that we can all talk about!” ― Richard Feynman “Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment #42 20121107 02:49:19
Re: ExpectationHi anonimnystefy; In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them. I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it. All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof. #43 20121107 03:00:27
Re: ExpectationYou are actually gonna vote? The limit operator is just an excuse for doing something you know you can't. “It's the subject that nobody knows anything about that we can all talk about!” ― Richard Feynman “Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment #44 20121107 03:22:21
Re: ExpectationBtw, I found a better Markov chain for the problem: The limit operator is just an excuse for doing something you know you can't. “It's the subject that nobody knows anything about that we can all talk about!” ― Richard Feynman “Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment #45 20121107 08:17:17
Re: ExpectationHi; In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them. I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it. All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof. #46 20121107 08:52:12
Re: ExpectationNo I didn't. Btw, the formula seems kinda intuitive when compared to 1/(1x) for summing the geometric series... The limit operator is just an excuse for doing something you know you can't. “It's the subject that nobody knows anything about that we can all talk about!” ― Richard Feynman “Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment #47 20121107 09:01:53
Re: ExpectationI am talking about the formula in post #40. In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them. I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it. All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof. #48 20121107 09:08:44
Re: ExpectationOh, that one! Yes, I am curious as to how you got it. The limit operator is just an excuse for doing something you know you can't. “It's the subject that nobody knows anything about that we can all talk about!” ― Richard Feynman “Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment #49 20121107 09:12:35
Re: ExpectationHmmm, most of the time we for against something, not for something. Of course it does not matter but, have you read "The Sea Wolf," by Jack London?
In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them. I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it. All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof. #50 20121107 09:16:19
Re: ExpectationAhhhh... I get it. Thank you for the formula. The limit operator is just an excuse for doing something you know you can't. “It's the subject that nobody knows anything about that we can all talk about!” ― Richard Feynman “Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment 