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#301 2012-05-04 07:22:10

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Re: Generating Functions

Hmmmm. So I guess the rocket will only get 1 / 5 of the way to the moon?


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.

I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.

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#302 2012-05-04 07:23:39

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Re: Generating Functions

Good enough.


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#303 2012-05-04 07:34:18

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Re: Generating Functions

If that is all you can get.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.

I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.

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#304 2012-11-02 09:02:52

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Re: Generating Functions

With a better machine this Maxima code:

gf1(x):=ratexpand(ratsimp((gf(x))^1000));
sum(prime(i)*coeff(gf1(x),x^i),i,1,6000);

would get the needed answer.


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#305 2012-11-02 09:36:43

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Re: Generating Functions

Hi;

So what is the answer? Those men have been stuck in space for a long time.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.

I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.

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#306 2012-11-02 09:57:21

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Re: Generating Functions

It doesn't have enough memory to evaluate the sum...


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#307 2012-11-02 10:00:43

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Re: Generating Functions

Do you have any other ideas that might help?


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.

I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.

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#308 2012-11-02 10:05:52

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Re: Generating Functions

Not really... Have you solved it?


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#309 2012-11-02 10:10:11

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Re: Generating Functions

I was thinking about a method you might try.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.

I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.

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#310 2012-11-02 10:13:07

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Re: Generating Functions

Which one?


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#311 2012-11-02 10:17:19

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You know that the lowest power in the expansion is 1000. The lowest prime in the expansion is 1009. What is the highest exponent in the expansion?


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.

I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.

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#312 2012-11-02 10:22:38

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6000. 5987 is the largest prime below 6000.


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#313 2012-11-02 10:32:02

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Re: Generating Functions

Does maxima have a Coefficients command?


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.

I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.

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#314 2012-11-02 10:36:01

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Didn't you see it get used in the code above. It's the coeff() function.


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#315 2012-11-02 10:48:09

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Re: Generating Functions

It is a different command in geogebra!

Taking a little eating break.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.

I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.

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#316 2012-11-02 10:59:53

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Geogebra?

Okay, see you later...


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#317 2012-11-02 11:59:41

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Re: Generating Functions

Geogebra has maxima inside it!


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.

I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.

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#318 2012-11-02 12:05:10

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Re: Generating Functions

I know that. But, why did you mention a function for coefficients?

Last edited by anonimnystefy (2012-11-02 12:05:42)


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#319 2012-11-02 12:07:31

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Re: Generating Functions

It is one of the ways you can get an answer. In geogebra it is Coefficients[poly,variable], notice I cannot pick out anyone I want without further processing.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.

I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.

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#320 2012-11-02 12:09:39

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Re: Generating Functions

But it would have to sum all coefficients of prime-numbered powers if x, which is a lot of computing.


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#321 2012-11-02 12:14:04

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Re: Generating Functions

Yes, it is a tough problem. Ever heard of Doc Thorne?


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.

I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.

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#322 2012-11-02 12:17:06

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Re: Generating Functions

Yes. And only that-heard.


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#323 2012-11-02 12:24:02

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Re: Generating Functions

You have heard of him?


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.

I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.

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#324 2012-11-02 12:37:43

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Re: Generating Functions

Yes


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#325 2012-11-02 12:39:11

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Re: Generating Functions

That is why I posed this problem.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.

I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.

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