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#1 2012-09-10 23:08:33
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Infinite Descent
The above equation has no integer solutions
Please teach me how to prove the above using the infinite descent
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#2 2012-09-10 23:32:09
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Hi Agnishom;
The proof is difficult.
http://fermatslasttheorem.blogspot.com/ … m-n-4.html
The proof requires the understanding of moduli. I can help with that if you want it.
In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
90% of mathematicians do not understand 90% of currently published mathematics.
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#3 2012-09-12 14:26:06
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Yes Its quite complicated
See the last step .... it claims that they have reached infinite descent
How?
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#4 2012-09-12 14:44:51
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Hi Agnishom;
Step 8?
In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
90% of mathematicians do not understand 90% of currently published mathematics.
I am willing to wager that over 75% of the new words that appeared were nothing more than spelling errors that caught on.
#5 2012-09-12 22:18:02
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Yes.. that one
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#6 2012-09-12 22:59:44
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Hi;
To have an infinite descent in this case you have to prove that there is always integers like the ones you started with that have the same properties but are smaller. For any finite a,b you can not keep finding integers p,q that are smaller than a,b. You must run out.
Please read this which is explaining it much better than I can.
http://fermatslasttheorem.blogspot.com/ … scent.html
In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
90% of mathematicians do not understand 90% of currently published mathematics.
I am willing to wager that over 75% of the new words that appeared were nothing more than spelling errors that caught on.
#7 2012-09-13 23:35:51
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But now we have reached infinite descent since:
P^2 = a^2 + b^2 = p which is less than p^2 + q^2 = z which is less than z^2.
But how does this show that a and b will have similar properties as p & q??
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#8 2012-09-13 23:51:37
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Hi;
I think they are all squares. a^2 and b^2 and p^2 and q^2. You just have to be able to see that one group of squares is less than the other.
In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
90% of mathematicians do not understand 90% of currently published mathematics.
I am willing to wager that over 75% of the new words that appeared were nothing more than spelling errors that caught on.
#9 2012-09-14 00:35:29
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So what?
They are squares... how does that show that there will be smaller numbers MATCHING THE ORIGINAL CONDITION?
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#10 2012-09-14 00:42:08
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Hi Agnishom;
There I am just as confused as you are. I do not have the whole proof understood either.
In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
90% of mathematicians do not understand 90% of currently published mathematics.
I am willing to wager that over 75% of the new words that appeared were nothing more than spelling errors that caught on.
#11 2012-09-14 00:50:14
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Thats hard to believe
(Just joking)
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#12 2012-09-14 00:58:46
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Hi;
Math is gigantic, bobbym is tiny. That explains it.
In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
90% of mathematicians do not understand 90% of currently published mathematics.
I am willing to wager that over 75% of the new words that appeared were nothing more than spelling errors that caught on.
#13 2012-12-24 01:18:04
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bit.ly/infdescent
Isn't this one better?
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#14 2012-12-24 01:20:50
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Hi;
Did you know that is the method to prove your latest triangle problem?
In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
90% of mathematicians do not understand 90% of currently published mathematics.
I am willing to wager that over 75% of the new words that appeared were nothing more than spelling errors that caught on.
#15 2012-12-24 02:13:06
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Pythagorean triangle?
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#16 2012-12-24 02:21:10
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Yes, that link solves the other problem.
In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
90% of mathematicians do not understand 90% of currently published mathematics.
I am willing to wager that over 75% of the new words that appeared were nothing more than spelling errors that caught on.
#17 2012-12-24 02:22:04
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Okay, imagining the two legs are perfect squares, say a^2 and b^2
We can't have a hypotenuse c such that a^4 + b^4 = c^2
But what if we are talking about one leg and one hypotenuse?
'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
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#18 2012-12-24 02:27:13
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Hi Agnishom;
I do not know about that one yet.
In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
90% of mathematicians do not understand 90% of currently published mathematics.
I am willing to wager that over 75% of the new words that appeared were nothing more than spelling errors that caught on.
#19 2012-12-25 13:40:33
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Pleae explain me this: For Euclidean Integers, relatively prime divisors of n-powers are themselves n-powers.
(and please don't give links, I don't get them)
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#20 2012-12-25 19:57:21
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I do not understand the question... To have relatively prime numbers, you need two numbers.
The limit operator is just an excuse for doing something you know you can't.
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#21 2012-12-26 01:10:14
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Suppose, w and v are relatively prime to each other
and
The theorem claims that there exists integers x and y such that and
Example, 10^2 = 25*4 where (25, 4) are relatively prime to each other now see that 25 = 5^2 and 4 = 2^2
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#22 2012-12-26 05:36:33
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Agnishom wrote:
Suppose, w and v are relatively prime to each other
and
The theorem claims that there exists integers x and y such that and
Example, 10^2 = 25*4 where (25, 4) are relatively prime to each other now see that 25 = 5^2 and 4 = 2^2
If , take and . Otherwise, since and are coprime, each prime divisor of must divide exactly as many times as it divides , namely a multiple of times. Thus , being a product of primes of power a multiple of , is a power of . Same for .
#23 2012-12-26 19:08:15
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Are you sure the proof is as simple as that?
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#25 2012-12-27 14:13:14
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I still have confusions, though it looks intutively obvious
'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'
'The whole person changes, why can't a habit?' -65