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#26 2006-01-02 22:55:58

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Re: Rounding .5 up or down?

I was always taught that .5 rounded up, and I've never heard anyone disagree with that up to now. hmm

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#27 2006-01-02 23:10:49

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Re: Rounding .5 up or down?

It depends on what you round.
If it's student mark and you are good, you'll round it up.


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#28 2006-01-02 23:12:33

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Re: Rounding .5 up or down?

I actually think
<m.00000> = m, so <m.50000> = m+1. I round it up.


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#29 2006-01-03 05:33:42

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Re: Rounding .5 up or down?

To put another nail in the coffin...

If you think that 4.0 rounds down to 4, then it is also true that 5.0 rounds up to 5.  So you would have:

4.0 .1 .2 .3 .4 .5 .6 .7 .8 .9 5.0

4.0, .1, .2, .3, and .4 round down

4.5, .6, .7, .8, .9, and 5.0 round up

So there is still 5 numbers that round down, and 6 numbers that round up.


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#30 2006-01-03 22:57:41

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Re: Rounding .5 up or down?

Yes.
And in my mathematica help i read something very strange:
It rounds .5 to nearest even integer!!!


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#31 2006-01-04 00:54:49

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Re: Rounding .5 up or down?

Taka a random bill. Estimate it by rounding off the cents (or pence, or centavos or whatever).

Example: 3.45, 12.07, 6.68, ...
Rounded: 3,12,7 ...

What method will have the least error? (There are 100 possible cent values from 00 to 99)


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#32 2006-01-04 01:00:18

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Re: Rounding .5 up or down?

Or the best answer:
If a number is .5 we just don't round it.


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#33 2006-01-04 02:20:06

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Re: Rounding .5 up or down?

MathsIsFun wrote:

Taka a random bill. Estimate it by rounding off the cents (or pence, or centavos or whatever).

Example: 3.45, 12.07, 6.68, ...
Rounded: 3,12,7 ...

What method will have the least error? (There are 100 possible cent values from 00 to 99)

That depends on the prices. Most prices tend to be biased towards the high end to make people think things are cheaper than they are. eg, £3.99 etc.

So, that would mean that rounding would give a higher value a than the actual one, so to compensate it would be better to round £3.50 downwards. That doesn't prove anything though.


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#34 2006-01-04 02:37:52

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Re: Rounding .5 up or down?

In an old book I it's sayed that
<√x>=[√([√x]+x)], where [x] is floor[x].

Cool!


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#35 2006-01-04 02:45:31

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Re: Rounding .5 up or down?

mathsyperson has some meaning, but why should we round it up/down when we don't have a straight answer?


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#36 2006-01-04 15:40:59

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Re: Rounding .5 up or down?

I think people like to round up becuase the most public use of rounding is related to money handling.  rounding up = more $$$.


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#37 2006-01-04 21:42:39

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Re: Rounding .5 up or down?

Agree.


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#38 2006-01-05 18:23:53

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Re: Rounding .5 up or down?

Consider this: you have a bag of sweets containing 10 whole sweets but lots of shrapnel in the bottom of the bag.  The shrapnel could make up 3/4 of a sweet yet you'd still say you have 10 sweets.  Then in this case, are you not rounding down even though you have more than .5?  I don't think you can "prove" which way to round, people just do it to simplify a number, it's not actually a mathematical theory (or somthing).


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#39 2006-01-05 18:50:01

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Re: Rounding .5 up or down?

Over a large sampling, though, you could choose a method that would lead to the least bias.

So, apply the rounding method to suit the data.


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#40 2006-01-06 05:26:18

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Re: Rounding .5 up or down?

rickyoswaldiow wrote:

Consider this: you have a bag of sweets containing 10 whole sweets but lots of shrapnel in the bottom of the bag.  The shrapnel could make up 3/4 of a sweet yet you'd still say you have 10 sweets.  Then in this case, are you not rounding down even though you have more than .5?  I don't think you can "prove" which way to round, people just do it to simplify a number, it's not actually a mathematical theory (or somthing).

That's an interesting point. Most of our arguments so far have been theoretical, but in practical situations it is usually obvious which method to use.

If rickyoswaldiow's sweety shrapnel could be put together to make 2 whole sweets, it would still only count as 10. So, the rule there is to ignore any fractions.

Another example would be that if a factory that sells cans decides to combine them into 6-packs, you would divide by 6 and round down, even if you had 5 spare.

Conversely, if a bus can hold 25 people then to work out how many buses you need to hold a certain amount of people, you would have to round up all the time, even if the last bus will only have 1 person on it.

But for the theoretical side of it, we should just say that 0.5 rounds up to 1 because it is convention and if you try anything else it will be seen as wrong, even if you don't believe it is. The end.


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