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**gAr****Member**- Registered: 2011-01-09
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"Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense" - Buddha?

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi;

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**gAr****Member**- Registered: 2011-01-09
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Hi,

"Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense" - Buddha?

"Data! Data! Data!" he cried impatiently. "I can't make bricks without clay."

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi gAr;

**In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.****If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.** **A number by itself is useful, but it is far more useful to know how accurate or certain that number is.**

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**gAr****Member**- Registered: 2011-01-09
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Hi,

Thanks!

Try the problem I was attempting, |sum( a ) - sum( b )| instead of sum( |a - b| ), I think that's more difficult.

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi gAr;

Take a look at this:

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Hi bobbym,

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi gAr;

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: Harlan's World
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bobbym wrote:

Hi gAr;

Hi bobbym

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**gAr****Member**- Registered: 2011-01-09
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Hi gAr;

Yes, he is considering (i,j) and (j,i) to be identical, so he's done the summation like that.

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi gAr;

Does that cover your question in post #1481?

Hi anonimnystefy;

The example of how to some the die that I gave. Do you want the correct example?

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: Harlan's World
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Hi bobbym

I don't understand you. I used a GF to sum the die.

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi;

This is what the problem requires you to do in pseudo code:

1)Pick two random integers in the interval [1,6].

2)Subtract them and take the absolute value.

3)Take the average of all of those values.

4) Print the answer.

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**gAr****Member**- Registered: 2011-01-09
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Hi bobbym,

No, see the code I posted in #1461 to understand what I mean.

I'm considering 2 six faced dice, thrown n times, and we need to calculate the expected value of

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi gAr;

Wouldn't that be 0?

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: Harlan's World
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But why do that. I took each possible outcome, multiplied each of them with its pribability of happening and summed over.

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi;

Because as I was explaining to gAr, I made a mistake in showing that example in the original post. You sum the die pairwise.

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: Harlan's World
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So, what should I get for (1,5),(5,1)?

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**gAr****Member**- Registered: 2011-01-09
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Hi gAr;

Wouldn't that be 0?

No, just like in the example, we may get for four throws |(1+2+3+4) - (2+3+4+5)| = 4. We will get different values for each trial, and 0 is one among them. So what's the expected value?

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi gAr;

Okay, I will work on it because I do not have a quick answer. I am being called away from my computer, see you later.

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: Harlan's World
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Hi gAr

What are you getting as the answer?

Hi bobbym

See you later.

*Last edited by anonimnystefy (2012-07-12 02:33:10)*

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**gAr****Member**- Registered: 2011-01-09
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Hi bobbym,

Okay, see you...

Hi anonimnystefy,

I have already answered it, 35 / 18 for 6 faced dice.

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: Harlan's World
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That is the expected value of the difference?

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**gAr****Member**- Registered: 2011-01-09
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Yes.

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: Harlan's World
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Hi gAr

I tthink I might have been doing the other problem you mentioned. The absolute difference of the sums. What do you get for that one?

Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most. ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment

The knowledge of some things as a function of age is a delta function.

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